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This is nothing more than an attempt to stop Trump from winning in 2020. Its irresponsible, dangerous and It will eventually lead to succession. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing “leave it alone”.
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Nevada is now on the cusp of joining the nationwide push to elect the president purely by popular vote.
The one silver lining in this new civil war is that it’s turned a generation of barely-literate people into constitutional scholars and political wonks.
The left is very slowly destroying this country. It's like boiling a lobster. At first, the lobster notices nothing. The lobster of course, being John and Jane Q Public, busy living their lives, at the malls, buying their kids sneakers with lights in them.
Eventually the Supreme Court is going to have to step in here, otherwise you're correct -- the country will break apart.
The left is very slowly destroying this country. It's like boiling a lobster. At first, the lobster notices nothing. The lobster of course, being John and Jane Q Public, busy living their lives, at the malls, buying their kids sneakers with lights in them.
Eventually the Supreme Court is going to have to step in here, otherwise you're correct -- the country will break apart.
The minority left continues to move the goal post and expect the rest of us to blindly follow along and do as we're told. This is not going to end well if they continue on this course.
Oh Dear me..States Rights advocates going all postal over a state exercising its State's rights. Once again we have sore losing Trumpers going off about Civil War if things don't go their way. Just like Trump himself. Whine, Whine Whine. Threaten. Threaten. Threaten.
What Nevada is doing is what all States should do. We've had two of the worst presidents in history elected because of the electoral college. Time to fix it. The people deserve to elect the president not an anachronistic process meant to protect the slave States.
This is nothing more than an attempt to stop Trump from winning in 2020. Its irresponsible, dangerous and It will eventually lead to succession. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing “leave it alone”.
Eventually the Supreme Court is going to have to step in here, otherwise you're correct -- the country will break apart.
The idea is Constitutional, and no, such thing would not lead to the country to break apart. As a matter of fact, the country is now more broken and divided than it has ever been thanks to the idiot in the WH.
This is nothing more than an attempt to stop Trump from winning in 2020. Its irresponsible, dangerous and It will eventually lead to succession. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing “leave it alone”.
You DO realize most of the states that have passed it are solid blue right?
Most of the states not even considering it are solid red.
Learn to enjoy the chaos when this happens:
1) Dems nominate someone even worse than Hillary.
2) The GOP beats the far left Dem with all the far left stuff they said during the primary.
3) People who are in the center look at the choice of Captain Orange vs Whackadoodle Leftie and hold their nose while they vote for the orange one who wins again.
4) Those states that passed this thing vote for the Dem anyway.
This proposal in Nevada, Colorado and other states adopting it is unconstitutional for the following reasns: 1) the provision for an interstate compact not approved by Congress; and 2) the violation of the Constitution's supremacy clause.
Article I, Section X, Clause 3, U.S. Constitution states:
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Clause 3. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Looks like this Interstate Compact is flatly unconstitutional.
The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, Article VI states in relevant part: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." Thus, in general, federal legislation overrides state legislation. The timing of the sequence of events is determined federally. What follows is a summary of the provisions:
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11 U.S.C. §1 states:
The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.
11 U.S.C. §7 states: “The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.”
11 U.S.C. §15 provides, in relevant part:
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.
Since the "popular vote" is not officially counted or determined, this presents a serious logistical problem which the Compact seeks to bypass by providing: "Prior to the time set by law for the meeting and voting by the presidential electors, the chief election official of each member state shall determine the number of votes for each presidential slate in each State of the United States and in the District of Columbia in which votes have been cast in a statewide popular election and shall add such votes together to produce a “national popular vote total” for each presidential slate."
The devil is in the detail of how this would be done in a timely manner. I believe this cannot happen.
Most serious, however, is that fact that such an interstate compact requires Congressional approval. That won't happen as long as small states have an equal vote with "big states" in the Senate. The Constitution was not designed to be easily tampered with. As far approval of a voting compact, don't count on the Republicans having less than 40 Senate seats anytime soon. Ditto with a Constitutional amendment. More than 25% of states are small ones.
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