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I have seen the videos of National Guard soldiers firing on college students at Kent State. Not some caught-up-in-a-melee situation. They got down into firing position and shot students walking to class.
So I have no doubt that there are those who would fire and kill their fellow countrymen and women.
True. Also I don't recall much public outrage about all the people that died at Waco fighting the US government. Most of the American population didn't care about their deaths. Can't see that mindset being different in an insurrection type scenario.
The objective of any war is not to occupy territory. It is to stop a disagreement between nations by force.
If territory is the object of the disagreement, as it was in WWII, the disagreement was settled by the winners.
Nowadays, as we have seen many times since, the settlement never comes once the territory is occupied. The winners eventually become the losers because the costs of occupation are so high now in lives and national treasure.
This fact is radically changing the professional's thinking of how to conduct modern warfare.
True. Also I don't recall much public outrage about all the people that died at Waco fighting the US government. Most of the American population didn't care about their deaths. Can't see that mindset being different in an insurrection type scenario.
Because they didn't "die fighting the US government", they died at the hands of a deranged lunatic named Koresh who wanted a Jim Jones situation and got one.
Right wing nut jobs still spreading this lie decades after the fact because of their twisted agenda.
That has already been discussed in this thread, and isn't relevant. The discussion has boiled down to one that concerns our own government and military, not foreign ones.
The questions are:
If the US military were ordered to kill millions of their fellow countrymen, how many would follow through on it?
Should the ones who didn't fire on their fellow citizens be treated as traitors?
Confederates went to war to defend slavery. They were clear about that in their documents and in their speeches.
Regardless of how you try to twist that they "believed" or how they "interpreted" this, that, or the other, they were clear that they were defending slavery.
Whether Confederates came close to winning is a matter of speculation. What actually happened is that bunch of traitors got their butt kicked but good and their descendants are still whining about it.
Which is exactly what would happen if a bunch of survivalists/hunters/gun nuts took on the U.S. military today.
We are all against slavery. It is/was evil. But many Southerners believed in it at the time. And our Constitution AT THAT TIME contained no reference to slavery’s evil nature, and in fact made cold-blooded references to the proportion of humanity possessed by slaves in the census and election clauses.
You seem to be arguing that the beliefs of Confederates in 1861 were somehow related and subject to today’s sensibilities, and that the slave trade and economic prosperity of the northern states based on servile labor did not exist (Google Perth Amboy sometime). Feel free to engage in such retroactive virtue signaling. Feel free also to ignore the proportion of our current armed forces which is composed of Southerners, those “descendants” for whom you feel such scorn. Do those things if you wish — but don’t expect to be taken seriously...
True. Also I don't recall much public outrage about all the people that died at Waco fighting the US government. Most of the American population didn't care about their deaths. Can't see that mindset being different in an insurrection type scenario.
Come now, let's not forget the Clinton spin machine and how the media worked overtime to cover for them. It wasn't that the public didn't care. Many were stunned, and wondered why the feds took a tank in against civilian targets.
Waco was a hot mess that it can be argued was completely mismanaged. Not unlike what happened at Ruby Ridge, which was a case of entrapment gone wrong.
If the Clintons were the masters of 1 thing it was spinning screw ups and blaming someone else.
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