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If a hostile nation drops a conventional bomb somewhere in the USA, we (our military) would respond with force. If a second conventional bomb drops, a nuclear response would be highly likely. That is why we have never been bombed since becoming a nuclear superpower in the 1940's.
So your original premise, that hunting rifles < saturation bombing, does not hold water if you are a US citizen living in the USA. Saturation bombing cannot occur. We will either remain safe from being bombed, or we will all be wiped out in a nuclear holocaust. There is no in between.
But all of that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your private firearms ownership saturation rate...nothing.
The anti gun lefties are also conveniently ignoring the fact that there are over 7million current veterans living in America. Many are from the recent global war on terrorism. Those 7 million veterans took an oath that means something, and most have guns. That's in addition to all the Patriots, gun enthusiasts, hunters and fudds.
It is very difficult to invade a sovereign nation, and hold significant amounts of territory against the will of the inhabitants. Napoleon and Hitler found that out in Russia. Persians, Greeks, Russians and Americans all found that out in Afghanistan. Regardless of gun laws. So I have no fear of a foreign power invading and conquering the US.
I also want to point out that a shotgun used for duck hunting or a .22 rifle for shooting squirrels is not much of a match against a fully automatic machine gun. Even deer rifles have very small magazines, holding only 3 to 5 rounds.
Besides, what if we were told there were atomic bombs planted in NYC, LA and Washington, which would be detonated unless we surrender? How would hunters save us?
I didn't write this, but after reading it I realized this forum is where it belongs. The following scares the crap out of government, including our own:
True story and most people will never know it.
After the Japanese decimated our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941, they could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California to finish what they started. The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River . Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships in other localities, so why did they not invade?
After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were asked that question. Their answer....they know that almost every home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them
Not a true story. The first part is a complete and utter fabrication. The Japanese did not have the logistical capacity to send even just their carriers to the US let alone an invasion fleet. The raid on Pearl Harbor represented the extant of their operating capabilities. They were incapable of launching an actual invasion of Hawaii, how would they invade the west coast of the US?
The second part is a mangling of a quote generally attributed to a letter written by Yamamoto to another senior officer. The existence of the letter cannot be proven and all of the sources generally attributed to the quote have said they know of no such letter or quote.
This entire scenario is nothing but a fantasy. Japan didn't invade the US because it was simply impossible for them to do so (the best they could do was take some of the western Aleutian islands with less than 10,000 troops and even that was a massive stretch for them logistically).
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Originally Posted by Raddo
It worked in 1941. But you overlooked the most important part of your picture: The US Military.
I know you are smart enough to know, just like Hitler did, that the first step in taking dictatorship control of a country is the disarming of its citizens.
Hitler did no such thing. Private gun ownership was never restricted for German citizens. There were laws passed by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm the radical Nazi and Socialist forces (which had repeatedly fought in the streets) but under Hitler and the Nazi's regular German citizens were allowed and even encouraged to own firearms. What did change under German law was the definition of who was a German citizen. Jews were among the groups to be stripped of their citizenship. It is a horrible distortion of history to believe that Hitler in anyway "seized power" or "took control" of Germany. The reality is that it was given to him with thunderous applause.
Not arguing for or against gun rights in my post, just pointing out the horrible historical inaccuracies you are spreading. If the best you can come up with are these inaccurate tropes, I suggest you find new material to support your position.
They would never even know they were a target as they died.
One group of hunters is less than .000001% of the army the OP refers to.
The strength isn't in individual groups of hunters. It is in all of the millions of armed citizens rising up together to defeat a common foe, whatever or whoever that foe may be (even our own government if necessary).
Well people with hunting rifles do not equal trained and organized armed forces "regulars", but if the SHTF the armed forces are nothing but citizens themselves, not mindless killer robots. There would be an armed revolution tomorrow if the Marines decided they didn't like who they worked for any longer. He who has the guns makes the rules. The politicians and bankers don't have any.
That must be why we got off-track. My original premise says nothing about not needing a military. You must have read that into it somehow.
Also, my personal take on it is that we need to be armed. Not to protect us from foreign invasion, but from our own government.
Did you know that the military is run by the government?
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