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Old 05-30-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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Trevor Loudon, interviewed in the OP link, is a "communism expert"... who lives in New Zealand.

How much time has he spent in Russia, China, Cuba, any other communist country or even the U.S.? There is zero mention at his wikipedia of ever living anywhere but New Zealand.


He just read and writes. Not an academic either. Freelance warrior. Non-American trying to intervene in American policy-making and American elections. He used to focus on Russian attempts to subvert his home country but meddling with U.S. issues was more interesting.


He also is / was long involved in an organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Applied_Philosophy lead by a so called "John Ultimate" with Scientologist roots or influences.


Loudon's political party in New Zealand and this religious / political organization both diminished to near nothing. I guess that explains the time he has to focus on U.S.

I now see he is currently touring the US speaking to Republican and conservative groups. (So will have to take him and his impact more seriously.)


Do be on guard about radicals from without and within. From the left, right. Totalitarian and libertarian. Listen but also question and verify. And think hard. Then act. Probably with some restraint.


Loudon is also pushing the idea of "Soviet Islam". Not a fabrication that they sometimes work together but I am not sure how influential the Russians have been in much of the Middle East since the 70s or 90s. In a few places now. But it is more collaboration than Russian direction.
Setting the ME aside, they ( Russia ) have been a staple in the US media for 3 years !!!

Attacking the creditability of Loudon is fair game but is ineffective if there is merit to his words.
Clearly there is merit and he makes a case that has yet to be rebutted in this thread.

When the character attacks are done there is still the information to be considered.
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Communism Expert explains the goals ...

Cold War Derangement Syndrome

must ... save ... precious bodily fluids ...
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Communism Expert explains the goals ...

Cold War Derangement Syndrome

must ... save ... precious bodily fluids ...
Communist supporters left dumbfounded. Don hazmat gear, afraid of what they might hear !!
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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Communism died out in the early 1990s. Check under your bed; I assure you that there are no Communists there.
What an amazing comment!!! Please share with us what happened to China and Russia in your “alternate realityâ€. I’m sure the story is facinating.
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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He has a good presentation style and there is stuff he can help others hear.


But in this article

https://gulagbound.com/57399/congres...organizations/

he tries to make interest and support by the Communist Party of the USA and the Democratic Socialists Of America of progressives in Congress seem important and scary. The CPUSA was always been a colossal failure to influence things in America. DSA was never important until maybe the last 5 years. They are the tails trying to look like they are the dog but they are minor influences in a sea of thousands of influences seeking to claim more influence than they have. Loudon is fighting these groups but he is also giving exaggerated prominence and that is dangerous in several ways.




In one of his videos, one of his guests said that the radicals trying to de-legitimize government so that it collapses and they can try to take over. This is true. Of the left and right and self-aggrandizing or criminal of any kind. Always has been. So be careful who you affiliate with of any kind. Lots of secret agenda out there. The right aligns with influencers and financiers they don't fully know and sometimes the left does that too.
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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He has a good presentation style and there is stuff he can help others hear.


But in this article



https://gulagbound.com/57399/congres...organizations/


he tries to make interest and support by the Communist Party of the USA and the Democratic Socialists Of America of progressive in Congress seem important and scary. The CPUSA was always been a colossal failure to influence things in America. DSA was never important until maybe the last 5 years. They are the tails trying to look like they are the dog but they are minor influences in a sea of thousands of influences seeking to claim more influence than they have.
Should we dismiss those with socialist/communist/progressive views in congress as easily as the CPUSA ?

Some here no doubt would be for that. Being aware of what is happening is for others.
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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Should we down play the threat, as you do, or expose it and be aware of it ?
That's really up to everyone to decide.
If we want to look at things that effect policy its worth looking at. IMO !!!

I'll look at almost anything. But I wasn't sure initially what level his work was at. Notice I am looking at it more fully and seriously since my initial post. I've looked at this sector of information & charges off and on since the 1980s. I haven't looked at recently. But I will update myself but I stand by my general perspective that the threat is over-hyped. And for its own political purposes and financial purposes in many rightists media and researchers including Loudon.


Anyone can and should check into it themselves.

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Old 05-30-2019, 11:56 AM
 
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I'll look at almost anything. But I wasn't sure initially what level his work was at. Notice I am takin git more fully since my initial post. I've looked at this sector of information & charges off and on since the 1980s. I haven't looked at recently. But I will update myself but I stand by my general perspective that the threat is over-hyped. And for its own political purposes and financial purposes in many rightists media and researchers including Loudon.



Anyone can check into it themselves.
His documentary was spot on with Keith Ellison exposed !!!
When someone like that is head of a major party and people say ignore it. I say why ?

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2017/01/an-enemy...PJu7tCom6Wp.99
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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In this video https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...st-connections His whole case of "communist connections" for Booker and K Harris is that they both knew and got support from a single Stanford leftist who married rich.
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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Communism died out in the early 1990s. Check under your bed; I assure you that there are no Communists there.
They aren't called communists any more, that is so 1985ish. Now they are "progressive Socialists", or something to that affect. They are the AOC's of the world. And they are going to ruin the country if they get power and hold on to it.
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