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Old 05-31-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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More women will die from complications with pregnancy & childbirth, postpartum depression, and suicide - particularly women in underserved rural communities who have limited access to OBGYN or mental health services.



More women will rely on welfare when they experience disabilities related to childbirth or post-partum depression.


More women will end up homeless or on welfare when they lose income due to unpaid FMLA or lose their jobs because they don't qualify for FMLA.



The income gap will continue to grow as pregnant women lose opportunities in the workplace and face discrimination for putting the child up for adoption or choosing to become a single parent.


The already overwhelmed and underpaid foster care system will be unable to cope with additional care needs, especially as many women will *not* choose adoption and instead will end up losing custody several years down the road when they are not prepared to care for a child.



Our medical, educational, and social service systems will need to figure out how to rapidly absorb more than a million additional people a year. These children will be born to women who are less likely to have had pre-natal care, a higher risk for drug addiction and fetal alcohol syndrome, and - in cases where mothers choose to raise the child - a lower likelihood of early childhood intervention.



Fetal abnormalities that are devastating but not necessarily incompatible with life will result in millions of dollars of medical and supportive care. Many families will require at least one caregiver to stay home with a severely disabled child with no compensation, decreasing their ability to avoid poverty.





Women of the US rise up in a violent revolt for being treated as second class citizens with no bodily autonomy. �� There are plenty of people on the waiting list for a living kidney donor. If life is paramount, maybe the women of the USA should treat lawmakers as we are being treated and forcibly remove their bone marrow, a piece of their liver, and a kidney. All life is sacred, after all. Or maybe we should just use the good old Constitution and defend ourselves. Thanks, 2A!

 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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More angels on the angel-tree in Walmart at Christmas.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by UNC4Me View Post
No, it won’t tip in forced birthers favor. Most forced birthers are older (59 and up) and religiously affiliated. Religious affiliation is declining with each generation and those old forced birthers are dying off at a rate far greater than younger folks who support choice.

The odds are not in your favor.
I think it's good to have healthy discussions from both sides to keep things from going too far either way.

And in a diverse country like ours with individual state's rights on many issues, people can move to a place that fits their individual beliefs, if it's something they feel strong enough about.

Signed, the religious old forced birther who you must hope will die off soon
 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Source?
Here is 2 sources of information outlining how women die and suffer from illegal abortions, how poverty increases and how there is little change in abortions when they are legal opposed to being illegal. There are lots of other studies and sources to be found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-shee...tion-worldwide
 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Will there be any negative long-term consequences to forcing women and girls to have children they don't want?
Yes. Go back and read about it in the history books.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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I think it's good to have healthy discussions from both sides to keep things from going too far either way.

And in a diverse country like ours with individual state's rights on many issues, people can move to a place that fits their individual beliefs, if it's something they feel strong enough about.

Signed, the religious old forced birther who you must hope will die off soon
People should not have to move to be afforded basic human rights like body autonomy. That’s a ridiculous and out of touch with reality opinion.

Maybe you’re blessed with financial means, access to transportation, family support, a job easily transferred elsewhere, but many people are not. They can’t just pick up and move every time a state decides to trample on their rights.

Hyperbole much? Did I say I wanted old people to die? Nope. I just pointed out the fact that more people over the age of 59 support forced birth and that religious affiliation is higher in that age group. I also pointed out that they’re closer to death than younger folks and younger folks are less religiously affiliated. This was all in direct reply to a poster who claimed that pro choice folks were reducing their numbers by supporting choice and that would cause the percent of those who support forced birthers to rise and presto chango their point of view would be the majority one. I just pointed out the odds were not in favor of that.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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Originally Posted by charolastra00 View Post
More women will die from complications with pregnancy & childbirth, postpartum depression, and suicide - particularly women in underserved rural communities who have limited access to OBGYN or mental health services.



More women will rely on welfare when they experience disabilities related to childbirth or post-partum depression.


More women will end up homeless or on welfare when they lose income due to unpaid FMLA or lose their jobs because they don't qualify for FMLA.



The income gap will continue to grow as pregnant women lose opportunities in the workplace and face discrimination for putting the child up for adoption or choosing to become a single parent.


The already overwhelmed and underpaid foster care system will be unable to cope with additional care needs, especially as many women will *not* choose adoption and instead will end up losing custody several years down the road when they are not prepared to care for a child.



Our medical, educational, and social service systems will need to figure out how to rapidly absorb more than a million additional people a year. These children will be born to women who are less likely to have had pre-natal care, a higher risk for drug addiction and fetal alcohol syndrome, and - in cases where mothers choose to raise the child - a lower likelihood of early childhood intervention.



Fetal abnormalities that are devastating but not necessarily incompatible with life will result in millions of dollars of medical and supportive care. Many families will require at least one caregiver to stay home with a severely disabled child with no compensation, decreasing their ability to avoid poverty.





Women of the US rise up in a violent revolt for being treated as second class citizens with no bodily autonomy. �� There are plenty of people on the waiting list for a living kidney donor. If life is paramount, maybe the women of the USA should treat lawmakers as we are being treated and forcibly remove their bone marrow, a piece of their liver, and a kidney. All life is sacred, after all. Or maybe we should just use the good old Constitution and defend ourselves. Thanks, 2A!
If you allowed for rape/incest, fetal abnormalities, and risk of health to the mother, do you know the total percent of today's abortions that do NOT fall into those categories?
 
Old 05-31-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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If you allowed for rape/incest, fetal abnormalities, and risk of health to the mother, do you know the total percent of today's abortions that do NOT fall into those categories?



Other consequences:


More men will be accused of rape. This further undermines a system already heavily slanted against people who have been raped by adding a layer of disbelief.


Women will be re-traumatized having to report their rape. They will be questioned about their decisions, their clothing, and asked if they just regret it. Especially if pregnancy is involved.


A politician - not a woman and her medical team - will determine what is appropriate "risk to health of mother" or what level of "fetal abnormality" qualifies. The former will invariably not include mental health.
 
Old 05-31-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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If you allowed for rape/incest, fetal abnormalities, and risk of health to the mother, do you know the total percent of today's abortions that do NOT fall into those categories?
What does that have to do with the post discussing negative consequences of banning abortion?
Are you saying only pregnancies conceived of rape/incest or those posing a risk to the health/life of the mother or having fetal abnormalities that are not permitted to be aborted will result in those negative consequences?
 
Old 05-31-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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What does that have to do with the post discussing negative consequences of banning abortion?
Are you saying only pregnancies conceived of rape/incest or those posing a risk to the health/life of the mother or having fetal abnormalities that are not permitted to be aborted will result in those negative consequences?
I asked the poster a question about abortion statistics.

Was that not clear in my super-short, very direct post?
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