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Old 06-11-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I wish they would come out with non-partisan numbers for the costs for their "Medicare for All" and tell the American people how high their taxes will have to go to pay this experiment.

The only way Medicare for all is possible is if obesity rates go down to the low-single digits, junk food is banned, vices are banned, they have strict formularities which means no expensive research and implementing long wait lists for ailments that aren't potential terminal.

There are biased numbers from liberal think-tanks that are laughably low because there is no way they can have a universal health-care program for 330 million plus people in a country that is collectively in extremely poor health where a majority of Americans basically eat a poisonous diet and where able-bodied people walk a fraction of that the average American did generations ago.

I personally am for Medicaid state block grants and keeping Medicare as is and just declining the reimbursement rates and shifting it onto commercial insurance.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:36 PM
 
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I'd gladly have taxes taken directly out of my check every two weeks to never have to worry about co-pays, deductibles, fighting with insurance to get doctor recommended procedures, going bankrupt from medical debt, etc.

Wanna pay more to "skip the line" so to speak? Fine, but medical care should be free to every citizen regardless of ability to pay. I don't understand why people cling to such a clearly broken system when it can be done so much better
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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I'd gladly have taxes taken directly out of my check every two weeks to never have to worry about co-pays, deductibles, fighting with insurance to get doctor recommended procedures, going bankrupt from medical debt, etc.

Wanna pay more to "skip the line" so to speak? Fine, but medical care should be free to every citizen regardless of ability to pay. I don't understand why people cling to such a clearly broken system when it can be done so much better

It can be done so much better, for so much less,with so much better results.
Saving so many lives.
A person fighting for their life with something like cancer, shouldn't also be burdened with how on earth they are going

to get hundreds of thousands of dollars just to pay the cost to live.
It's not right.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:49 PM
 
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Free balloons and a pony would get me on board !!!
I'd actually have something instead of the empty promises !!!
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:30 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Terrible idea. Copays and deductibles are important gatekeepers from frivolous use. They simply should not be bankrupting.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Terrible idea. Copays and deductibles are important gatekeepers from frivolous use. They simply should not be bankrupting.
Yes, but after Obamacare illegally became law we saw our Copays, and Deductibles both double and often TRIPLE. Out of pocket healthcare costs skyrocketed. The problem with universal healthcare is they will not be able to contain costs are there is no incentive to do so, and no market forces at work to push to be efficient. They will just raise the taxes constantly, and RATION CARE to fund what will just become another slush fund.
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Old 06-12-2019, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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I'd gladly have taxes taken directly out of my check every two weeks to never have to worry about co-pays, deductibles, fighting with insurance to get doctor recommended procedures, going bankrupt from medical debt, etc.

Wanna pay more to "skip the line" so to speak? Fine, but medical care should be free to every citizen regardless of ability to pay. I don't understand why people cling to such a clearly broken system when it can be done so much better

So first you say you will gladly have taxes taken out to pay for healthcare and then you say it should be free. Hmmm okay.


And you think the government is going to improve the delivery of good healthcare. So funny.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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Medicare uses the "fee for service" and "usual and customary" insurance model. "Fee for service" is rife with waste, fraud and abuse and "usually and customary" prevents price competition. That is why US medical costs are so high.


If Bernie were a real socialist, he would advocate for a "national health service," where physicians are salaried and costs strictly controlled as in the UK.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You know what I mean, don't try and play those games with me.
It sounds like you are saying you can't voluntarily budget for such expenses and want big Govt to be your accountant.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Why not just have every aspect of life be "free"? Why stop at the medical profession? Think about whatever task you spend the hours of your life doing in trade for the capital you use to finance your life, and ask yourself why that service shouldn't be done for free. Why should your profession/service/task/etc not be free for all? Why should someone needing your services be forced to pay for those services when he/she may not be able to afford it?

Free everything. It's the only fair way to do things.
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