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and you really think a Biden - Harris ticket will win over Trump?
Are you for taking away health insurance from AMERICAN citizens and giving it to ILLEGALS?
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Originally Posted by wallbuilder
Recent poll had him down 11% versus Biden in PA. Sure, he was polling 3-5% down versus Hillary in the Rust Belt and won it by 2-3%, fewer voters than can fit in an average football stadium from 4 states combined, and polling data could be off again in 2020, but it would have to be off by a large factor.
You can't really compare Trump to Obama, Bush II or Clinton, who won 2nd terms without too much trouble.
Clinton was completely bipartisan, could get the party-line Democrats plus the Republicans who controlled a Congress that got along with Clinton. He won in a landslide.
Bush was still riding his 80%+ approval rating from Afghanistan and Iraq, neither of which had become onpopular yet.
Obama had 97% of Black vote in large quantities in swing states plus enough of the rest of his voting block. Republicans didn't have an exciting candidate who could rise as leader. Union bosses in the Rust Belt said vote Obama again.
Trump? Clearly he's the leader of a new Republican party brand that he created. But, how much of his brand was his running against Crooked Hillary? I think a lot. He can't run on his brand anymore.
I provided my reasoning for him not winning the nomination, what is your reasoning for him winning it?
I actually find your reasoning plausible. The Dems just might nominate a leftist in 2020 in which case, barring an economic collapse, Trump will win. But I believe the Pelosi wing of the party (the fairly rational wing) will have enough sway and make a strong enough case that only a centrist can beat Trump that they will fend off any leftist revolt and put Biden over the top. We shall see.
Polls are basically worthless because of the sample size and where they happen to be taken. We all remember what the Polls said about the 2016 election.
The Trump presidency hasn't turned out the way some of his voters had hoped. Others seem perfectly happy with him.
Remember there are hard core supporters on both sides of the isle, it doesn't matter who the candidate is. Others will vote for either party if they like the candidate. I've voted on both sides and will continue to do so.
Trump's chances this time around will still depend on who gets the DNC nomination. If enough people dislike that choice, they're going to vote against him/her. I know quite a few people who voted against Hillary simply because they just couldn't stand her.
Exactly and we need to do the same thing. I like to equate those cheap Chinese goods at Wally World to Native American Indians giving up Manhattan for a chest of glass beads and a handful of metal axe heads.
We have a totally different political system with a short term strategy and a million dead would be seen as unimaginable in America, but in China, they're used to hardships. I think you're underestimating the ability of China and its people to take a punch.
China has a lot of illegal immigration from Vietnam as the wages in China have been skyrocketing for decades compared to their neighboring countries. You have an outdated view of China as simply exporting cheap stuff for very low wages.
Other Asian countries have wage levels of 5% or less of what the American level is. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back.
A person who is against a higher minimum wage, against healthcare for all, against getting big money in politics, against much stronger labor rights and stronger labor unions and supportive of massive tax giveaways to the top 0.1%?
I dont get it. Most people in the Midwest support pro-worker positions, not oligarchy. The challenge is to convince people to ignore their economic self-interest and get them distracted with identity politics, abortion, guns or some other nonsense.
A purple voter are RINOs and DINOs. IE the middle 60 to 70 percent of voters. They will like a few of the the things you mention but see the laundry list as crazy over-reach.
For example. Many support a higher minimum wage but not all the way to $15.
And the left does the exact same with their own version of identity politics. Pot meet kettle.
A purple voter are RINOs and DINOs. IE the middle 60 to 70 percent of voters. They will like a few of the the things you mention but see the laundry list as crazy over-reach.
For example. Many support a higher minimum wage but not all the way to $15.
And the left does the exact same with their own version of identity politics. Pot meet kettle.
POLL: 2/3 VOTERS IN ‘BATTLEGROUND’ CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS SUPPORT FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE OF $15 BY 2024
Support was widespread across all districts, regions, and demographic groups, with 57 percent of men, 72 percent of women, 63 percent of white voters, and 69 percent of non-white voters favoring the $15 by 2024 proposal.
I could go on and on with this. So-called "purple voters" believe in pro-worker policies. Not oligarchy. And they dont believe it is crazy to support labor. Its up to you to convince them that they should ignore their economic self interest and focus on guns, abortion and identity politics.
We have a totally different political system with a short term strategy and a million dead would be seen as unimaginable in America,
A million dead because you can't get your wally world fix? LOL
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Other Asian countries have wage levels of 5% or less of what the American level is. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back.
This isn't just about blue collar jobs. It's about about any job, if we do not stop the progression now we are going to be screwed.
Let's start with something simple, estimates I have read suggest anywhere from 70 to 90% of Windows installations in China are pirated. This isn't even necessarily about theft because the Chinese government makes it difficult to obtain legal copies to begin with. That's the tip of the iceberg. What are you proposing to do to stop this?
As another example the solar manufacturing industry. The US taxpayer is subsidizing a company like Elon Musk's solar city which installs Chinese solar panels effectively subsidizing Chinese manufacturers. Those Chinese companies have been able to decimate the solar manufacturing here in the US because of actions by the Chinese government. You don't see anything wrong with this picture?
Recent poll had him down 11% versus Biden in PA. Sure, he was polling 3-5% down versus Hillary in the Rust Belt and won it by 2-3%, fewer voters than can fit in an average football stadium from 4 states combined, and polling data could be off again in 2020, but it would have to be off by a large factor.
You can't really compare Trump to Obama, Bush II or Clinton, who won 2nd terms without too much trouble.
Clinton was completely bipartisan, could get the party-line Democrats plus the Republicans who controlled a Congress that got along with Clinton. He won in a landslide.
Bush was still riding his 80%+ approval rating from Afghanistan and Iraq, neither of which had become onpopular yet.
Obama had 97% of Black vote in large quantities in swing states plus enough of the rest of his voting block. Republicans didn't have an exciting candidate who could rise as leader. Union bosses in the Rust Belt said vote Obama again.
Trump? Clearly he's the leader of a new Republican party brand that he created. But, how much of his brand was his running against Crooked Hillary? I think a lot. He can't run on his brand anymore.
Of course he can....with greater success than last time.
It's like watching Wile E Coyote back when I was a kid
Indeed it is....great analogy!
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Of course he can....with greater success than last time.
Indeed it is....great analogy!
