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Old 06-02-2019, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I’m comfortable being in what is shown (below link) as in the top 22%, though our city’s median is in the top 11%, making me one of the less affluent residents. I certainly have no jealousy or Ill feelings toward those in the top 10% or even top 1%. What they make is not my concern and has no effect in my income.

https://dqydj.com/household-income-p...le-calculator/
Of course not, you are close enough to the top where you don’t suffer what the poor or middle class has to go through. There are those in the high middle who still have empathy and try to change things and speak up. There are people who care that all Americans should eat and have a decent life. But the high 10% don’t give a ratz azz about anyone.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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Maybe they shouldn’t study a degree on student loans that would only yield $45k a year.

Also $45K for a single person is plenty to pay off $100,000 loans in a few years.
No it isn’t. That’s some internet article “I started a blog” debt repayment.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:53 PM
 
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There are people who care that all Americans should eat and have a decent life. But the high 10% don’t give a ratz azz about anyone.
Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better to create an enemy to focus on. There are plenty of folks who are in the 10% who came from households in the lower class (ketchup soup and gubment cheese anybody?) who do care about everyone eating and having a "decent life" but don't like the idea that success gained by hard work and sacrifices should be vilified and marginalized.
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Old 06-02-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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OP, No it does not bother me.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:45 AM
 
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Thanks. That makes more sense.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:53 AM
 
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Three points:

2) Liberals need to stop demonizing people who made the right choices, lived responsibly, and ended up in the top 10% as the "corrupt wealthy."
Liberals has zero to do with it.
And so does the very idea that some kind of "good benefit" makes money. Joseph Salk discovered the polio vaccine - didn't make...or want to make...a dime off of it. This is true of many of the great scientists and researches of all time...and stays true to this day.

Which benefits mankind more - a good Nurse of someone who runs a Casino? A research doctor or someone who wins "Amway salesperson (MLM) of the Year"?

My guess is that the cause/effect is fairly neutral, but if anything "making a lot of money" meaning deceiving, lying and/or playing a certain game (which has nothing to do with "being good") correlates more with sociopathy than with what we usually consider the highest aims.

It has already been established in the trade (social science) that the very same sociopath child who tied firecrackers to frogs often ends up as a CEO. In other words, "not caring" as a trait is a benefit in certain positions.

Jesus is mentioned in some former posts..whether Jesus, Buddha, Moses or any other tales one thread that runs though all of them is non-violence. Yet many of the Lockheed Martin sales folks I knew back in NJ were buying beach houses with just one year's bonus...and had Porsches in the driveway.

No, I'm certainly not jealous of them. But it was interesting to see that the truth is closer to "Lords of War" with the sculptured butter and ice and roast beef stations than to careful spending of taxpayer money.

Even if I assign a 50/50 to it - that is, 50% of very wealthy people ARE just ambitious, hard working and smart...that leaves the rest. AND, we can see that many "liberal" billionaires have agreed to give 1/2 or ALL of their billions away. If you truly follow the way of tikkum (modern view), you may feel the same:

"For some Jews, the phrase tikkun olam means that Jews are not only responsible for creating a model society among themselves but also are responsible for the welfare of the society at large. This responsibility may be understood in religious, social or political terms and there are many different opinions about how religion, society, and politics interact."

A billionaire that gives away all of their money to wipe out disease worldwide....differs from our friend Sheldon (Casino billionaire) who buys our Government and other officials with crumbs of his wealth, wealth gained from people gambling.

If you see no difference - or do not believe in "right livelihood", then all of this makes no difference to you.
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Whether this is true I don’t feel any poorer. Actually financially I’m living the good life.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...lth-2019-05-24


Machts Nichts to me. I'm doing great!
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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IMO the real problem is that there is a moral superiority given to the wealthy of this country. Money is revered, even worshiped in the US. So when there is legal challenge to the notion that money equals speech or power, the dullards think this is bad. But they MUST be awesome, they are rich! (Like I want to be but am not.) They seem to have demonstrated something valuable and important, even if what they really have demonstrated nothing but greed. And the greedy love their money and power and will do what it takes to keep it. With people, unfathomably, cheering them on.

At the same time, the notion that poverty is a moral fault and that anyone who is poor is poor by choice is comfortable for many who like to feel morally superior. That there is a HUGE discrepancy in opportunity is unimportant.
Sums it up perfectly.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:04 AM
 
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Liberals has zero to do with it.
And so does the very idea that some kind of "good benefit" makes money. Joseph Salk discovered the polio vaccine - didn't make...or want to make...a dime off of it. This is true of many of the great scientists and researches of all time...and stays true to this day.

Which benefits mankind more - a good Nurse of someone who runs a Casino? A research doctor or someone who wins "Amway salesperson (MLM) of the Year"?

My guess is that the cause/effect is fairly neutral, but if anything "making a lot of money" meaning deceiving, lying and/or playing a certain game (which has nothing to do with "being good") correlates more with sociopathy than with what we usually consider the highest aims.

It has already been established in the trade (social science) that the very same sociopath child who tied firecrackers to frogs often ends up as a CEO. In other words, "not caring" as a trait is a benefit in certain positions.

Jesus is mentioned in some former posts..whether Jesus, Buddha, Moses or any other tales one thread that runs though all of them is non-violence. Yet many of the Lockheed Martin sales folks I knew back in NJ were buying beach houses with just one year's bonus...and had Porsches in the driveway.

No, I'm certainly not jealous of them. But it was interesting to see that the truth is closer to "Lords of War" with the sculptured butter and ice and roast beef stations than to careful spending of taxpayer money.

Even if I assign a 50/50 to it - that is, 50% of very wealthy people ARE just ambitious, hard working and smart...that leaves the rest. AND, we can see that many "liberal" billionaires have agreed to give 1/2 or ALL of their billions away. If you truly follow the way of tikkum (modern view), you may feel the same:

"For some Jews, the phrase tikkun olam means that Jews are not only responsible for creating a model society among themselves but also are responsible for the welfare of the society at large. This responsibility may be understood in religious, social or political terms and there are many different opinions about how religion, society, and politics interact."

A billionaire that gives away all of their money to wipe out disease worldwide....differs from our friend Sheldon (Casino billionaire) who buys our Government and other officials with crumbs of his wealth, wealth gained from people gambling.

If you see no difference - or do not believe in "right livelihood", then all of this makes no difference to you.
What's with all this Jewish and Jesus stuff? And this thread isn't about billionaires! The OP was talking about the top 10%, which are just ordinary people who did things right. What I see are liberals:

A) demonizing the 10% of studious, diligent, disciplined people who acquired a career, maybe approached $100k at the peak of their careers, and managed to amass a net worth of $1 million by living within their means and investing wisely.

B) defending and talking about the "good character" of people on welfare, illegal immigrants who have taxpayers feed their children, and those who have four kids while they are in Section 8 housing - and pregnant with the next.

And stop saying you're Jewish. You've given away in prior posts that you're not (saying your family has dropped off with church attendance and talking about your church services at the military school your parents sent you to), and all you do is talk crap about Jews.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:05 AM
 
Location: DFW
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How can Democrats get your vote if you're not mad that someone has more than you and should be taxed more than you to take it away ?

I'd like to know how many Charities those top 1%'ers support. Usually it's a lot of money given back.

Much better than giving more to the Govt to waste.
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