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This is 100% an attempt to rationalize your refusal to give in to the PC crowd. To paraphrase yourself, "Just because you said so does not make it true."
"I am not suggesting here that every cat should be declawed, but rather that it should be determined on a case-by-case basis."
What's really sickening is, from what I can tell, you, BeerGeek and others are automatically declawing cats, without any forethought and without even waiting to see if the cat is going to scratch up your furniture or not. Even your own link says that should not be done.
But you might also read some of the comments below the article. Such as this one:
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In the mid 1980's I spent a lot of time defending declawing of cats as an acceptable procedure and after graduation in 1990, I did more than I can count. It was as routine as spaying and neutering. Then, in the mid 90's, I had an elderly client ask me if I would extract all of her dogs teeth to prevent bites to her grandchild. While this would not have prevented the dog from eating, I still declined. This left me questioning the declaw issue but it wasn't until about 10 years ago that we stopped declawing for reasons of "behavior". We now counsel owners on alternatives....
Do you realize that is the perfect analogy? Would it be inhumane to extract all of a dog's teeth (or even some of them) just to prevent biting?
Yes it would.
Thus it is also inhumane to extract a cat's claws just to prevent scratching.
The knucle connectedvto the claw and claw are removed. The bone behind it remains and continues to bear weight.
This is incorrect. The weight bearing bone is amputated along with the tendons, ligaments, and claws. What is left is a little bone that was never meant to bear weight, now bearing 60% of the cat's weight. It isn't continuing to bear weight, it is being forced to bear weight, an action it was not designed to do.. The cat's entire gait and alignment is changed forever, which creates chronic pain throughout the body, not just the feet.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
But, you HAVE to get them used to that as kittens, and even then sometimes they resist. Cats are all over the map with behavior, so you never know. I am not advocating de-clawing. Far from it.
This isn't true. I have rescued a number of adult cats who were able to learn to accpet nail trims. Some it took some effort and patience on my part. And time. In fact the kitten was the worst and 9 years later stil has to be wrapped in a towel. It's the training method that matters, not the age of the cat.
That NYC ACC (essentially the city pound) is a kill shelter.
So? We are discussing "declawing" here not shelters.
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007
At this point, anybody in this thread who still thinks declawing is fine is saying so only because they don't want to give in to what they perceive as a PC-style movement. To them, giving in to anything remotely resembling a PC-style movement would be giving in to everything they abhor. And if a PC-heavy state like NY is doing it, all the more reason why they should oppose it. So it doesn't matter if those who point out that declawing is cruel and causes the cat pain the rest of their lives are probably right, they will oppose a ban on it just in principle and try to convince themselves it's OK.
You nailed it.
Pedro has done us a big favor though. Every time he makes up another "fact" it gives me an opportunity to refute it with truth.
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It doesn't cause them pain or any functional issues.
More cats will die due to this law.
Look at the photo I posted at the structure with claw extended and retracted.
Of course, since this is purely an emotional issue for you, it won't matter.
I'm betting you're also against parents choosing circumcision for their boys.
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
Except for the fact that her post is wrong.
They don't remove the weightbearing bone.
The bones bearing weight remain, and only the bone attached to the claw (which rotates up when the claw is retracted) is removed.
This is incorrect. "Declawing" is amputation of the third phalanx. This includes the claw, the bone the claw grows out of (which is also the bone that bears 60% of the cat's weight) tendons and ligaments.
Lol. You believe the claw bears weight, so you've already shown how you don't understand any of this.
The claw grows from bone. They are attached - one piece. The bone bears weight. The entire bone is amputated.
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