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First off, the title of this thread (Difference between Dems and conservatives) is faulty. It should be the difference between Democrats and Republicans, or the difference between Liberals and Conservatives. One is a political party, the other a political philosophy.
Conservative - one who adheres to traditional methods or views
Liberal - one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways
It's as simple as that. It is not about tribalism, although tribalism and religion would be more attractive to someone who holds traditional views. And it isn't about left brain (feelings) vs right brain (facts), although someone with more left brain dominance is probably more open to change.
... I was more conservative in the past and I am more liberal now, and both of them actually have had to do with who I surrounded myself and what voices I was listening to...
Excellent post!
It's not mere cynicism to opine, that neither party and neither philosophical orientation has leadership or mouthpieces who are sincere, competent or well-meaning. However, what is the alternative? One might argue, that the present leadership in America is the result of mass-protest and dejection, in that either the one or the other traditional power was tried, and both were found to be lacking. So, a third-way, as it were, was sought. You need no convincing to observe that this third-way leaves something to be desired. Knowing what we know now, at least from present example, we might indeed be better off with some loudmouth charlatan from one or the other of the conventional camps.
You also mention that our political orientation is much contingent on our milieu. This is important. Many of our opinions aren't entirely our own, but instead are absorbed from without. Consider even in this thread, how one or another partisan loudly proclaims that his/her side is rational, serious, deliberative and sound... while the opposite is not merely wrong-headed, but outright no-headed. Sure, some of this is rhetorical flourish. But some is sincere. Do people really believe that their political antagonists are not just misguided, but are outright idiots? Or rather, is this belief absorbed by hearing such a statement repeated in one's particular milieu?
But back to out topic... while both (all?) political persuasions are largely the result of our environment, what we hear, with whom we associate and so forth, well, there is I think one distinction: conservative-thinking is particularly contingent on consideration for one's locals... not merely what they say, but where their interests lie. Liberals are less animated by such local considerations.
There is a *wide spectrum* between "liberals" and "conservatives."
And most people only see things in rigid terms B&W, no shades of gray in there at all.
If you don't understand or recognize there are Independents, Moderates, Left-leaning but not full on liberal, right-leaning but not full on conservative then you are perpetuating a myth.
As a Moderate Independent, I'm fiscally conservative, socially more liberal (but not total left), believe in individual choice, not government deciding what a person can do with their body. I vote based on what I think are reasonable platforms and decide each issue separately.
Right wingers don't know what to do with that! They think anyone even slightly left of themselves are liberals, as if that's a dirty word. Then again, I don't hold their positions in high esteem.
There is a *wide spectrum* between "liberals" and "conservatives."
And most people only see things in rigid terms B&W, no shades of gray in there at all.
If you don't understand or recognize there are Independents, Moderates, Left-leaning but not full on liberal, right-leaning but not full on conservative then you are perpetuating a myth.
As a Moderate Independent, I'm fiscally conservative, socially more liberal (but not total left), believe in individual choice, not government deciding what a person can do with their body. I vote based on what I think are reasonable platforms and decide each issue separately.
Right wingers don't know what to do with that! They think anyone even slightly left of themselves are liberals, as if that's a dirty word. Then again, I don't hold their positions in high esteem.
not quite
the line is more like this
communist...socialist/fascist......far liberal......liberal....social-democrat......democrat.....center.....republican.....con republican....conservative......far(religious nut) conservative
then you have the neo-con/neo-lib which cross both lines
neo-con (former democrats) are NOT far right.. they are right on somethings and left on others....but in general they are leftists about globalization
Bolton, Brzezinski, and Kissinger have all worked together, all pushed globalist (liberal) ideas
right of center is less authoritarian, far right is almost anarchistic....left of center becomes more authoritarian to totalitarian (control)
That's because conservatives believe a woman's place is in the home, cooking and cleaning and being submissive to her husband. They want laws and public policies to promote that.
That's just something you made up because you wont discuss policy since the big government policies you back are failures.
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Originally Posted by bawac34618
They will say that God created male and female equal but they have separate roles, but as we learned through Jim Crow, separate but equal is always separate but never equal.
Jim Crow was pushed through by the democrats. Once again the party of the klan shows it's true colors.
So the Dems take a close look at all the evidence, measure all the benefits and risks of their intended actions - and then throw it all out and just go with what makes them feel good!
I think there’s some truth to that (I have a wide range of friends and family politically, and the feelers are mostly on the left ), but also want to point out that tons of people on both sides ultimately throw out the reason and evidence if the result isn’t what they like.
That's just something you made up because you wont discuss policy since the big government policies you back are failures.
Big government? Big government like controlling who can marry who or women's reproductive choices? Big government like locking people up for a plant because that plant offends the religious sensibilities of the right?
So the Dems take a close look at all the evidence, measure all the benefits and risks of their intended actions - and then throw it all out and just go with what makes them feel good!
I'm surprised someone who prides himself as being a proud Republican noted for "logic, facts, and critical thinking" somehow missed the fact that the left brain/right brain theory has been debunked.
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