Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Would you rather pay $5000 more in private premiums than $2000 more in health care taxes?
Yes, paying more to the insurance companies ensure that I am free 27 29.67%
No, paying less into a Medicare-style system is the sensible thing to do 64 70.33%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,483,709 times
Reputation: 9618

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
No its not.

Its a myth that single payer in America would be more than twice as expensive as the current absurdly expensive system. It will not cost 4 times as much as in other developed countries. Thats just laughable corporate propaganda.
really... first off the USA is NOT 4 times as much as other countries ....2x yes..not 4x


so let's NOT us USA cost numbers for a second


Comparable Country Average...5198 per person


Canada 4753


Switzerland 7919


Germany 5551


USA 10348


https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...e-than-the-u-s




so lets usa the Comparable Country Average...5198




5198 x 330 million...just over 1.7 trillion


1.7 trillion / 80 million....21k PER TAXPAYER




if we use the USA cost we are talking 43k per taxpayer
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATX Wahine View Post
Yes, that’s what I mean. My private insurance plan ensures access to prompt care without waiting weeks or months for my “turn” for diagnostic procedures or visits with a specialist. It’s worth every penny we pay for it.
We live in a highly competitive healthcare market and have BCBS insurance with a massive number of in- network providers. Nonetheless, it is not possible to get an immediate appointment with an in demand specialist.

There’s a 6-8 week wait for a basic mammogram. Same for colonoscopy. Due to thyroid Cancer, my husband sees an Endocrinologist once a year. Appointments must be scheduled 6 months in advance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 09:59 AM
 
10,800 posts, read 3,594,827 times
Reputation: 5951
Quote:
Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Canadians don’t kill as much as US people do.

Maybe there’s something in the water in the US.
Yeah, or maybe it has something to do with too many guns in the hands of too many who shouldn't have them, and a psyche by many that no gun ever should be regulated, nor those that own them.

But, as I posted previously, the life expectancy of those over 65 still is higher in Canada than the USA. Explain that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:00 AM
 
10,800 posts, read 3,594,827 times
Reputation: 5951
Quote:
Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Neither. I'd rather pay my doctor.
And when you run out of money?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Public and private insurance excludes most cosmetic surgery. It’s all out of pocket.

Yet, the highest compensated medical specialty is plastic surgery. Injectables have become the bread and butter of most practices.

Conversely, family practitioners tend to be among the lowest compensated specialties and most visits are reimbursed by private or public insurance, less a nominal patient co- pay.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
32,816 posts, read 19,483,709 times
Reputation: 9618
Quote:
Originally Posted by normstad View Post
And when you run out of money?
why should I expect someone else to pay MY bill...sorry I am not greedy
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
3,405 posts, read 2,734,101 times
Reputation: 4417
In Washington state, like many, a hospital isn't allowed to refuse service due to inability to pay so the uninsured are already on our dime. Furthermore the states benefits for low income people short pay the hospitals. As a result, the rest of us get turned upside down and shook for every penny if we even look at a hospital. The hospital is pretty candid with the fact that they lose money on those with state insurance and the uninsured, and have to massively over-bill the insured to recover that money. Between what my employer pays for my insurance and what I pay out of pocket it's my 3rd largest monthly expense.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by normstad View Post
Yeah, or maybe it has something to do with too many guns in the hands of too many who shouldn't have them, and a psyche by many that no gun ever should be regulated, nor those that own them.

But, as I posted previously, the life expectancy of those over 65 still is higher in Canada than the USA. Explain that.
Perhaps the US obesity rate has something to do with this.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../11411-eng.htm

That 75% of US adults are overweight/ obese makes the population more vulnerable to many diseases, including but not limited to Diabetes 2 and serious complications.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Barrington
63,919 posts, read 46,738,058 times
Reputation: 20674
Quote:
Originally Posted by rkcarguy View Post
In Washington state, like many, a hospital isn't allowed to refuse service due to inability to pay so the uninsured are already on our dime. Furthermore the states benefits for low income people short pay the hospitals. As a result, the rest of us get turned upside down and shook for every penny if we even look at a hospital. The hospital is pretty candid with the fact that they lose money on those with state insurance and the uninsured, and have to massively over-bill the insured to recover that money. Between what my employer pays for my insurance and what I pay out of pocket it's my 3rd largest monthly expense.

EMTALA became law 33 years ago in 1986.

The ER cannot decline to stabilize a patient due to an inability to pay.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-10-2019, 10:14 AM
 
10,800 posts, read 3,594,827 times
Reputation: 5951
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
why should I expect someone else to pay MY bill...sorry I am not greedy
The point is that no one knows what calamitous illness may hit you that costs untold amounts of money to deal with. Unless you are a multi-millionaire who has the resources, do you truly have so much lack of empathy to allow a person needed medical care?

Healthcare is a human right, not an option. All humans should have access to proper healthcare, regardless of income or wealth. Want extras? Sure, pay insurance to allow you to have a private room rather than a four bed one. But the basics should be equal to all, as a human right, not a privilege.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:23 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top