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Old 06-10-2019, 03:26 AM
 
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Vietnam getting the Benefits of US–China Trade War as companies increasingly switch to alternative suppliers.

Trump's right again !!! China needs a deal more than the US does !!!

Vietnam Reaps the Benefits of US–China Trade War
https://www.theepochtimes.com/vietna...r_2956702.html

Vietnam is by far the biggest winner, having gained 7.9 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) from trade diversion from both the U.S. and China tariffs

The other top beneficiaries of the U.S.–China trade conflict are Chile, Malaysia, and Argentina, according to the study.

“Based on these criteria, we find evidence of U.S. and China import substitution in 52 percent of the 1,981 tariffed products,” the report stated.

President Donald Trump earlier suggested that the tariffs would force companies to find new suppliers.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:35 AM
 
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Chinese Exporters Dodge Tariffs With Fake Made-in-Vietnam Labels

On bloomberg.com now...

Do you seriously think its better for the American worker that some production is moved to countries with far lower wages than China, like Vietnam? Why?

Trump can not afford a recession before the 2020 election. China doesnt have elections. They're used to far more hardships than a 0.5% reduction in GDP growth.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:14 AM
 
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Chinese Exporters Dodge Tariffs With Fake Made-in-Vietnam Labels

On bloomberg.com now...

Do you seriously think its better for the American worker that some production is moved to countries with far lower wages than China, like Vietnam? Why?

Trump can not afford a recession before the 2020 election. China doesnt have elections. They're used to far more hardships than a 0.5% reduction in GDP growth.
In the micro, no, it doesn't help American workers for production to move from China to Vietnam or anywhere else for that matter.

In the macro, yes, reigning in Chinese growth and global influence could benefit the US and by proxy, the average American worker. China's used IP theft and copying as a core element of its economy for years and this has adversely affected American businesses. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the US and/or other nations taking China to task and demanding - or perhaps, forcing - them to play fairly. How deeply or badly China is affected by this depends in large part on how China chooses to react to the situation.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:24 AM
 
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The idea of "Work" will need to change for Americans. Manufacturing is not coming back to America the way we perceive it. When companies return back to the USA, it is usually after factories are retrofitted with near complete automated assembly lines. Reminds me of that Chinese company that relocated to Wisconsin ended up actually agreeing to hire 1/10 of the number they promised to get the tax breaks which paid for the automated factory they are building. We subsidized our own demise.

So they employ 1000 in China but only employ 100 when they relocate to the USA. Unless we are going to tax the profits to cover the loss of income for middle America, I am not sure what job will be available in 20-30 years with automation taking off, or how people will stay afloat in most of the USA.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:34 AM
 
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Vietnam getting the Benefits of US–China Trade War as companies increasingly switch to alternative suppliers.

Trump's right again !!! China needs a deal more than the US does !!!

Vietnam Reaps the Benefits of US–China Trade War
https://www.theepochtimes.com/vietna...r_2956702.html

Vietnam is by far the biggest winner, having gained 7.9 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) from trade diversion from both the U.S. and China tariffs

The other top beneficiaries of the U.S.–China trade conflict are Chile, Malaysia, and Argentina, according to the study.

“Based on these criteria, we find evidence of U.S. and China import substitution in 52 percent of the 1,981 tariffed products,” the report stated.

President Donald Trump earlier suggested that the tariffs would force companies to find new suppliers.
China is never going to cut a deal with this lying untrustworthy orange idiot. Trust me.

Trump’s plan isn’t about trade. It’s about preventing China from gaining dominance in critical high tech fields. China will never agree to it. What a joke. The Chinese will sell to the rest of the world, and their own 1.4 billion market. The us companies will be shut off from the Chinese market forever. Too bad for apple etc.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:38 AM
 
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In the micro, no, it doesn't help American workers for production to move from China to Vietnam or anywhere else for that matter.

In the macro, yes, reigning in Chinese growth and global influence could benefit the US and by proxy, the average American worker. China's used IP theft and copying as a core element of its economy for years and this has adversely affected American businesses. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the US and/or other nations taking China to task and demanding - or perhaps, forcing - them to play fairly. How deeply or badly China is affected by this depends in large part on how China chooses to react to the situation.
China isn’t ever going to yield to your so call play fair game, which is just a ploy to prevent chinese from gaining dominance in high tech fields like A1. Dream on. Trump will face a recession while the Chinese roll their eyes on a .5 dip in their gdp growth, which is nothing. The chinese are still growing at twice the rate as the us, at least.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:40 AM
 
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The idea of "Work" will need to change for Americans. Manufacturing is not coming back to America the way we perceive it. When companies return back to the USA, it is usually after factories are retrofitted with near complete automated assembly lines. Reminds me of that Chinese company that relocated to Wisconsin ended up actually agreeing to hire 1/10 of the number they promised to get the tax breaks which paid for the automated factory they are building. We subsidized our own demise.

So they employ 1000 in China but only employ 100 when they relocate to the USA. Unless we are going to tax the profits to cover the loss of income for middle America, I am not sure what job will be available in 20-30 years with automation taking off, or how people will stay afloat in most of the USA.
Chinese robots will end all us manufacturing for good. The Chinese will use their people to service and fix robots, which they will sell to the rest of the world. The us can stay out of that world and be isolationist.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:41 AM
 
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Lets no forget the benefits to So. America too. Chile and Argentina !!!
Creating more jobs in So. America could spill over into reducing migration.
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:47 AM
 
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Chinese robots will end all us manufacturing for good. The Chinese will use their people to service and fix robots, which they will sell to the rest of the world. The us can stay out of that world and be isolationist.
Business and industry leaders don't agree with you and a good case to prove it is the bicycle industry !!!

TDS put to the side they put their money on the line and not on democrat talking points or their compliant media headlines !!!


Bicycle Manufacturer Brings Production Back to America | IndustryWeek
https://www.industryweek.com/compani...horing-journey

Bicycle Production Begins Move Back to US | Reshoring | IndustryWeek
https://www.industryweek.com/competi...-rolls-back-us
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Old 06-10-2019, 04:57 AM
 
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China isn’t ever going to yield to your so call play fair game, which is just a ploy to prevent chinese from gaining dominance in high tech fields like A1. Dream on. Trump will face a recession while the Chinese roll their eyes on a .5 dip in their gdp growth, which is nothing. The chinese are still growing at twice the rate as the us, at least.
Typical wumao/apologist thinking, that China's growth is infinite and somehow impervious to the machinations of the rest of the world. It's not.

In any case, wait a few years until China's demographic time bomb explodes and see how wonderful its already-unstable economy is after that.
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