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Old 06-12-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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JFK was for low taxes and a strong military. Dems today would stone him.

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Old 06-12-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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JFK was for low taxes and a strong military. Dems today would stone him.
When Kennedy died the top marginal rate was still over 90%. LBJ passed the tax cut.

Strong military? Lol...Kennedy HATED the clowns at the Pentagon, and put his brother in between the Oval Office and the generals who were all a bunch of right wing nutjobs.

Kennedy said all that “missile gap” nonsense in order to rhetorically out anti communist that windbag Nixon. Kennedy thought most of what came out of the Pentagon was gobbledygook, and he was absolutely correct.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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How much of what each party is, is just reactionary to the other party until they no longer really represent what they originally were. I consider the Republican party much more plutocratic and for the rich than ever.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If Kennedy was still relevant, we wouldn't even be discussing radical Islam.

We would all be using dial telephones, driving huge cars that got 15 mpg, and would still be listening to Frankie Avalon on the radio and watching black and white TVs right now if Kennedy's politics were important.

Just as all former Presidents were men of their time, so was Kennedy. His time is 60 years in the past, so speculation on his politics today would entirely depend on his remaining alive to this moment.

Since he's not alive, anything and everything is just idle conjecture.

What we do have is his brother Ted to consider. Ted carried on his brother's legacy until he died in 2009.

But John's legacy would not have been as important as Ted's. Once he had served and was out of the White House, John would have become the same as any or all of the other past Presidents. None of them ever remained as influential once out of office as they were when President.

Ted served for so long as a Senator, he shaped the direction of his party much more than his brothers ever did. When he began, he was a lot like his brother. But don't forget- Ted was a sitting Senator when his brother died.

Over the next 47 years, Ted changed with the times like everyone else did.

Parties change just as much as the people in them change. John changed his party briefly, a long time ago, but Ted changed it far more and far longer. He's much more worthy of a What If? discussion than his long-dead brother because he died in our recent time.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If Kennedy was still relevant, we wouldn't even be discussing radical Islam.

We would all be using dial telephones, driving huge cars that got 15 mpg, and would still be listening to Frankie Avalon on the radio and watching black and white TVs right now if Kennedy's politics were important.

Just as all former Presidents were men of their time, so was Kennedy. His time is 60 years in the past, so speculation on his politics today would entirely depend on his remaining alive to this moment.

Since he's not alive, anything and everything is just idle conjecture.

What we do have is his brother Ted to consider. Ted carried on his brother's legacy until he died in 2009.

But John's legacy would not have been as important as Ted's. Once he had served and was out of the White House, John would have become the same as any or all of the other past Presidents. None of them ever remained as influential once out of office as they were when President.

Ted served for so long as a Senator, he shaped the direction of his party much more than his brothers ever did. When he began, he was a lot like his brother. But don't forget- Ted was a sitting Senator when his brother died.

Over the next 47 years, Ted changed with the times like everyone else did.

Parties change just as much as the people in them change. John changed his party briefly, a long time ago, but Ted changed it far more and far longer. He's much more worthy of a What If? discussion than his long-dead brother because he died in our recent time.
So, you think JFK would be a flip flopper like Biden, just to get votes.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:45 PM
 
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So, you think JFK would be a flip flopper like Biden, just to get votes.
JFK would be considered a moderate. And flip flopping(over the span of decades) isn't necessarily a bad thing. They are representatives of the people after all, they should reflect our collective will rather than personal opinion.

Reagan though he would be considered a gun grabbing, amnesty granting, socialist by the current Trump era Republicans. Which is paradoxical considering he's still looked at fondly by them at the same time.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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So, you think JFK would be a flip flopper like Biden, just to get votes.
No. I don't. I said nothing to even imply that either.
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:53 PM
 
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Your homestate in particular was so virulently anti JFK, that Lyndon Johnson, Governor Connelly, the Mayor of Dallas, and the whole damn secret service were terrified for Kennedy’s life and advised him not to even travel there. He did it anyway to tragic results.

Conservatives considered him a flaming left wing wacko back then (mostly because they were afraid that he’d end Jim Crow in Texas’s case), so don’t switch up now and claim that comparatively, he was conservative.

Kennedy’s legacy is as a Liberal Democrat, and it will remain that way forever despite wing nut revisionist bullhockey.
Well done!


Last word: "Kennedy’s legacy is as a liberal Democrat, and it will remain that way forever despite wing nut revisionist bullhockey".

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Old 06-13-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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JFK - "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". "A rising tide raises all boats".

Two concepts today that the Leftist Democrats reject.
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Old 06-13-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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The Democrat Party has drifted so far towards Marxism, JFK would be considered far alt-right today.
"If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

-- John F. Kennedy, Profiles in Courage


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Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.

-- Dale Carnegie
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