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I have run into many people who profess to be an authority on war even though the only war they experienced was playing a war game on a pc. PTSD is real and when we ask men and women to go to war to fight for us then we must be responsible for any injury they suffer either mental or physical.
The problem is we live in a corporate government whereas the overlords do not want to bear the expense of combat and therefore deny the maladies of war. Trump is a prime example. Comrade Trump is a draft dodger to the worst degree. Trump is a weak, vindictive, narcissist who tries to defend his cowardice by attempting to discredit our war heroes like John McCain and others.
It is hard for me to understand how anyone who loves America and respects all those who have fought and died, served, and continue to serve, continue to support a coward like Trump.
Trump is a jerk, and a thoughtless person. I also see something else. He has that old school mentality when it comes to manhood. If anything, there are many who like that "old school" way of doing things. His thoughtless words, some people eat it up for these reasons:
1) To make people who aren't conservative angry
2) To appeal to an old school version of manhood.
This is a stupid thing for Trump to say. I'm a combat vet. Airborne infantry in Iraq. Of course people handle PTSD differently and some people have a much more difficult time processing it than others. But to imply that it's somehow related to being "strong" or being "weak" is just plain ignorant. I don't know anyone who actually went downrange and sent rounds that wasn't changed by it. If you served in a combat MOS in combat and it didn't screw with your head you were probably already crazy before you got there. Trump should just shut up about combat and how it effects people. He knows nothing about it.
have a good friend. Marine infantry Vietnam 67-68. been in more combat than anyone I have ever met. We discussed PTSD and I always remember one of his final remarks...………."Most of the people I know who are messed up were halfway there before combat" {in other words they had "mental" issues before combat} In other words call it what you will weakness,inability to cope, or just plain every individual is affected differently...……..hard to "split hairs" on this subject...…..
have a good friend. Marine infantry Vietnam 67-68. been in more combat than anyone I have ever met. We discussed PTSD and I always remember one of his final remarks...………."Most of the people I know who are messed up were halfway there before combat" {in other words they had "mental" issues before combat} In other words call it what you will weakness,inability to cope, or just plain every individual is affected differently...……..hard to "split hairs" on this subject...…..
First of all, I don't mean to be disrespectful.
When he (your friend) talked about "not be able to cope", I would like to know what he meant by that?
Simply developing symptoms like nightmare, flashback types of unable to cope
or killing your fellow citizens, beating your wife and children, drink and abuse drugs everyday types of unable to cope
The second kind (killing your fellow citizens, beating your wife and children,) Yeah, mostly likely, they were already messed up before the military service,
But simply developing symptoms is rather common for combat veterans. A lot of people hide or manage their symptoms well. Has nothing to do with mental strength.
PTSD doesn't mean holding a shotgun in your hands all the time and waiting to die.
Like I posted earlier, I have a friend who would immediately push my head down on the ground when he heard a loud noise nearby, that is a sign of PTSD. He managed the symptoms well, and the symptoms last about couple of months, but it doesn't mean combat has absolutely no effects on him, it certainly does not mean he was weak. I would say he is coping pretty well.
Plus, PTSD manifests itself in many ways. Not all of them are fear. Hypervigilance which can save your life and others. Quick to action, even violent action, when feeling as though one is in danger.
A lot of PTSD is the result of survivor guilt. The trauma doesn't come from killing the enemy, primarily. It comes from seeing your buddies, men you drank with and shared your lives with, get shot and torn up by artillery.
PTSD is a very complicated disorder. Strong or weak, able to cope, not be able to cope, these are all too simple terms to explain this disorder.
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When he (your friend) talked about "not be able to cope", I would like to know what he meant by that?
Simply developing symptoms like nightmare, flashback types of unable to cope
or killing your fellow citizens, beating your wife and children, drink and abuse drugs everyday types of unable to cope
The second kind (killing your fellow citizens, beating your wife and children,) Yeah, mostly likely, they were already messed up before the military service,
But simply developing symptoms is rather common for combat veterans. A lot of people hide or manage their symptoms well. Has nothing to do with mental strength.
PTSD doesn't mean holding a shotgun in your hands all the time and waiting to die.
Like I posted earlier, I have a friend who would immediately push my head down on the ground when he heard a loud noise nearby, that is a sign of PTSD. He managed the symptoms well, and the symptoms last about couple of months, but it doesn't mean combat has absolutely no effects on him, it certainly does not mean he was weak. I would say he is coping pretty well.
Plus, PTSD manifests itself in many ways. Not all of them are fear. Hypervigilance which can save your life and others. Quick to action, even violent action, when feeling as though one is in danger.
A lot of PTSD is the result of survivor guilt. The trauma doesn't come from killing the enemy, primarily. It comes from seeing your buddies, men you drank with and shared your lives with, get shot and torn up by artillery.
PTSD is a very complicated disorder. Strong or weak, able to cope, not be able to cope, these are all too simple terms to explain this disorder.
"inability to cope" are my words. not my friends. His are in quotation marks. The only visible scars my friend showed were one day I asked him why he brushed his teeth so many times a day.....{he was always saying i'll be right with you but need to brush my teeth first"} As soon as I asked this he just exploded on me...……." you ****** live in a hole in the ground for two months at a time with no shower,let alone brush your teeth and then talk to me!" That was the only outward sign of any issues I
ever saw with him. I know he had a lot inside there though...……...
I had survivors guilt for years. probably still do...………
yes PTSD is very complicated, that is why I said i'm not "splitting hairs". Millions suffer from it. Probably with a million different reasons why and a million ways they are coping with it on different levels.
"inability to cope" are my words. not my friends. His are in quotation marks. The only visible scars my friend showed were one day I asked him why he brushed his teeth so many times a day.....{he was always saying i'll be right with you but need to brush my teeth first"} As soon as I asked this he just exploded on me...……." you ****** live in a hole in the ground for two months at a time with no shower,let alone brush your teeth and then talk to me!" That was the only outward sign of any issues I
ever saw with him. I know he had a lot inside there though...……...
I had survivors guilt for years. probably still do...………
yes PTSD is very complicated, that is why I said i'm not "splitting hairs". Millions suffer from it. Probably with a million different reasons why and a million ways they are coping with it on different levels.
I guess it can technically be true. Everyone is different and we all have different genes And life experiences. What might cause PTSD and one person will not necessarily cause it in another. Just like some people that are abused as children end up with depression because of it and other people don’t. It has to do with epigenetic’s. If you want to equate the ability to cope with strength, then fine. but it really doesn’t matter what words he’s trying to use. The point is that we all have different needs based on epigenetic and who cares.
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