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Old 06-16-2019, 04:18 PM
 
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You almost have to feel sorry for KJU in North Korea. It's important to understand they're hostages of China, not an independent entity. It's important to understand they don't launch missiles, or try to acquire nuclear arms, or threaten the United States, or torture their own people, or an American, without China's direction or permission.

What Trump's done is try to forge a relationship with KJU, treating him with respect, in order to sway NK to the light side, so they align with us, not China. That's what the purging of the NK generals was about while KJU was in Viet Nam for the meeting with Trump. Surprise China, the generals you installed to control KJU are gone! That's what the letters are about. China can't hack a letter to see what they're talking about. NK is nopt about peace negotiations, it's a hostage negotiation.

The way we will achieve peace in NK is when the tariffs on China have been so devastating that China sees NK as their only bargaining chip which allows them to save face. In the meantime, they haven;t fired a missile over their neighbors, or threatened us, they freed our prisoners & returned the remains of our soldiers. That's certainly worth something, short term.
You overestimate China's control on North Korea.
China and North Korea had an awkward relationship until last year. Xi and Kim had never met until last year, although both of them had been in power for years.

China was very angry when North Korea carried out nuclear tests without notifying them and joined the sanction.
North Korea is far from obedient too. Their state-run newspaper often criticizes China for betraying socialism.
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Old 06-16-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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Bullying other nations? Are you on drugs? China's been beating us up & taking our lunch money on the way to school for decades. Trump stands up to them &* says "No more", and you call him a "bully" for it?

Try to read for comprehension. I was using someone else's words to question them. Hint: that would be the question mark at the end of the sentence.
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Old 06-16-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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What is happening is China's economy is imploding. Because of the tariffs, many foreign companies are looking for ways out of China. In turn, China, which is a full-on Communist-authoritarian state, is threatening these companies, threatening to seize funds, etc. which in turn causes foreign investment to want to flee China even faster. The beauty of the tariffs is that China being a Communist- authoritarian country, they have no approach to this other than blunt force authoritarianism which only accelerates their own demise. Read below & watch the arc of how this is progressing:

If China seizes assets of American tech companies, the U.S. should reimburse them and then take it out of Treasury Bonds held by China.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Try to read for comprehension. I was using someone else's words to question them. Hint: that would be the question mark at the end of the sentence.
Maybe try quotation marks, rather than a question mark, when quoting someone.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:31 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Perhaps you haven't been listening to the tax hikes the left has planned !!!

Everyone of the democrat clowns running for President champion tax hikes far greater and none of it would be to reset US China trade !!!

Its like someone complaining about a pebble in one shoe when they have a 1,000 pound bolder pinning their other leg to the ground !!!
Trumps tariffs are not just taxes on American consumers, they are anti-business and anti-American.

More than 600 American companies have warned Trump against tariffs.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019...8811560503929/

And Trumps tariffs were supposed to lower Americas trade deficit, but in 2018 America had a trade deficit of $891 billion dollars (the largest trade deficit in American history.)
U.S. Trade Deficit Hits Highest Level in History at $891.3B | Fortune

And Trumps tariffs were supposed to bring jobs back to America, but instead American companies are simply moving their China manufacturing to other countries. Example, since Trump's tariffs began American imports from Vietnam have risen by 40.2%. And US factories in China are simply moving to Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Mexico.
https://www.newsweek.com/us-imports-...ariffs-1437176
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...o-great-226876


Then retaliatory tariffs from other countries are forever taking customers away from American businesses. China used to buy large amounts of soybeans from America, but now China is buying soybeans from Russia, and Russia's soybean production has increased to its highest level in its 90 year history. And Trumps trade wars are causing the same customer base loss for American almond and apple farmers.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/trumps-trad...ia-great-again
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-...ns-11550745001
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...fs/1471140001/

Trumps China tariffs also threaten 400,000 American equipment manufacturing jobs.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-400-000-jobs

Trumps China tariffs threaten 1,000's of jobs in the American chemical industry.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...l-13837053.php

In total Trumps tariffs threaten over 700,000 American jobs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#519e7d4d7b26

And then Trumps tariffs will cost the typical American family $831 dollars in extra spending per year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-...conomists-say/


When will president Trump negotiate a China trade deal? (currently China says "Beijing is prepared for a long economic battle")

When will Trump negotiate a China deal that stops intellectual property theft from America?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TH05I


And because of Trumps policies and actions China and Russia have joined forces militarily (and this new China/Russia military partnership threatens America's position as the preeminent global power.)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/polit...hip/index.html


Can you explain how Trumps tariffs will help American businesses, bring jobs back to America, help American consumers, reduce our trade deficits, stop Chinese intellectual property theft, and stop China from becoming a military threat to America?
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Now India has slapped the US with retaliatory tariffs on 28 products, including almonds and apples:

https://www.businessinsider.com/indi...almonds-2019-6

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India is by far the largest buyer of U.S. almonds, paying $543 million for more than half of U.S. almond exports in 2018, U.S. Department of Agriculture data shows. It is the second largest buyer of U.S. apples, taking $156 million worth in 2018.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Now India has slapped the US with retaliatory tariffs on 28 products, including almonds and apples:

https://www.businessinsider.com/indi...almonds-2019-6
Those tariffs are much, much smaller than the ones that China and the US are sparring over and are ultimately likely much easier to resolve. There isn't as deep an ideological bent over the India-China trade dispute as there is over China's... India isn't hacking American company databases and stealing their IP, or trying to militarize neighbors' waterways.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:36 AM
 
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Those tariffs are much, much smaller than the ones that China and the US are sparring over and are ultimately likely much easier to resolve. There isn't as deep an ideological bent over the India-China trade dispute as there is over China's... India isn't hacking American company databases and stealing their IP, or trying to militarize neighbors' waterways.
Do you really know what India actually does?

Its common for all big powers to hack and spy and do whatever they can to get ahead. India has a poor relationship with all its neighbors which is very common for a big power. But it is much poorer and weaker than China, and have no tech companies that challenge US hegemony.

There is no "ideological" issue between China and the US at all. China couldnt care less about communism and the American ruling class doesnt care whether the Chinese people get democracy or not. Democracy is always a threat to any system of power, including for the American ruling class. Whats really happening is merely big power struggles and China can not cave to US demands demanding they dont become a developed country and surpass the US economy.

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Old 06-17-2019, 02:48 AM
 
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It's not rocket science Mike. Look when the trade deals that offshored American manufacturing to China & Mexico occurred. Then look at the destruction of the middle/working classes over that time period. Then look at the acceleration of the wealth gap. Are you really so angry at Trump, that you're willing to sacrifice America's middle/working classes & manufacturing base to spite him?

Btw, if trade deficits are so great, why doesn't anyone want to have them? Why doesn't China want one with us? If there was ANY advantage to having a trade deficit with a foreign country, China would have one with every country on the planet. Period.
But the reason the destruction of the middle and working classes took place was because the American ruling class represented by corporate America, Wall Street and the billionaire class have waged a war against the common American worker for 40 years. Trump is accelerating that greatly with his policies. He's not advocating that labor unions should be massively strengthened and write trade deals. Not at all. He's giving himself and his cronies massive tax breaks, hates labor unions, hates the minimum wage, weakens Social Security and Medicare, kicks millions off of health care, packs his administration with Goldman Sachs fat cats, he makes it easier for the billionaire class to buy elections with his corporate judges and gives corporations more freedom to abuse workers. This is not a man of the common worker.

China has trade deficits with lots of countries and barely has a trade surplus against the world at all. Its a big distraction to focus on China and foreigners instead of the domestic culprits at home. But its a common tactic by the ruling class when inequality and polarization of society gets out of hand.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:52 AM
 
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Maybe try quotation marks, rather than a question mark, when quoting someone.

"Bullying other nations? Are you on drugs? China's been beating us up & taking our lunch money on the way to school for decades."


Like you did? Hypocrite.


Besides, I was referencing the other person's words, not quoting them. Learn the difference.
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