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View Poll Results: Is it acceptable for government officials to withhold information of national security from an elect
I don't see anything wrong. 4 5.80%
It's only acceptable when the president is a Democrat. 0 0%
It's only acceptable when the president is a Republican. 1 1.45%
It's only acceptable when the president is Trump. 19 27.54%
It's not acceptable at all. 44 63.77%
I don't know. 1 1.45%
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Old 06-16-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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Exactly this.
There is ALWAYS a degree of risk when sharing intelligence.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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.....well trump does bring the russians into his Office to look at things so.........................
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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So many bad precedents have been set in the past two years - most of them by Trump.


If Trump is indeed unstable, as I believe he is, then I have no problem withholding national security information from him.
Name one if you can.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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So many bad precedents have been set in the past two years - most of them by Trump.


If Trump is indeed unstable, as I believe he is, then I have no problem withholding national security information from him.
So you have no issue with career civil service and appointees withholding information from the president, a position in which decisions are based off the information presented to him?
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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In light of the NYT reporting that officials didn't brief Trump on cyber attack against Russia, I must ask this question.

Is it acceptable for unelected government officials to withhold information of national security from a duly elected president?
Were they in fact withholding? Should the CEO of a large company be informed of every nuance or action of its employees? Cleanup on aisle 4... Better call the boss!! Based on reports on current WH security briefings, maybe they did let him know but because there weren't any accompanying cartoon illustrations or charts it never sunk into Trump's lizard brain.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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Were they in fact withholding? Should the CEO of a large company be informed of every nuance or action of its employees? Cleanup on aisle 4... Better call the boss!! Based on reports on current WH security briefings, maybe they did let him know but because there weren't any accompanying cartoon illustrations or charts it never sunk into Trump's lizard brain.
The term "withholding" refers to that a person was suppose to provide the item in question, but did not. SO a "clean up on aisle 4" is probably not relevant information the CEO needs to know. However, not informing something for example, a billion dollar accounting error, would be something that would fall under "withholding".

The dictionary definition - refusal to give something that is due or desired.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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The term "withholding" refers to that a person was suppose to provide the item in question, but did not. SO a "clean up on aisle 4" is probably not relevant information the CEO needs to know. However, not informing something for example, a billion dollar accounting error, would be something that would fall under "withholding".

The dictionary definition - refusal to give something that is due or desired.
OK, did Trump desire the information because everything about the guy says "Ignorance is bliss"?
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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Were they in fact withholding? Should the CEO of a large company be informed of every nuance or action of its employees? Cleanup on aisle 4... Better call the boss!! Based on reports on current WH security briefings, maybe they did let him know but because there weren't any accompanying cartoon illustrations or charts it never sunk into Trump's lizard brain.
I don’t think implanting malware in a sovereign country’s electrical system is a nuance.

They wanted to hide from the president because it’s not a nuance.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:07 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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What harm could there be in telling him national security secrets?
Asking for a friend.
Your friend, Vlad
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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In light of the NYT reporting that officials didn't brief Trump on cyber attack against Russia, I must ask this question.

Is it acceptable for unelected government officials to withhold information of national security from a duly elected president?

In this case, yes. Otherwise, he'd be calling Putin and telling him all about it. He'd gladly spill all our secrets to foreign adversaries if he had them since he admires them so much.
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