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How is the other former colony Macau handling that issue?
Either way, China has laws just like almost any other country. It is not Afghanistan where crazy people take justice into their own hands. When someone is extradited from HK to China, China knows a lot of people are watching...
And China is also willing to extradite Chinese criminals to HK in turn, so one can't say it is a one-sided thing.
How is the other former colony Macau handling that issue?
Either way, China has laws just like almost any other country. It is not Afghanistan where crazy people take justice into their own hands. When someone is extradited from HK to China, China knows a lot of people are watching...
And China is also willing to extradite Chinese criminals to HK in turn, so one can't say it is a one-sided thing.
That is the thing. China is an autocracy, not a nation of laws. They have laws, but the laws are superceded by the dictates of the central government authorities, who are all members of the Communist party.
China basically terrorizes its people into submission. There is no free speech, no elections, no freedom of assembly, and no freedom of religion. Chinese people are expected to defer without question to the dictate of the leaders of the state. It is not a nation of laws, but a nation of rule by the dictates of men (and a few women).
They want to use the "extradition" process to bring anyone protesting their rule to heel. They jail or execute people who do not comply. It is fully their intention to see the remaining political rights and freedoms of the people of Hong Kong effectively if not formally eliminated.
That is what this is all about and the people of Hong Kong clearly understand that, as their extraordinary protests have demonstrated in no uncertain terms. Even if there are people here on this board who support the Chinese government and their tactics, or who are against political freedom as a general rule, or who just do not understand what is happening here, the people of Hong Kong clearly do.
How is the other former colony Macau handling that issue?
Either way, China has laws just like almost any other country. It is not Afghanistan where crazy people take justice into their own hands. When someone is extradited from HK to China, China knows a lot of people are watching...
And China is also willing to extradite Chinese criminals to HK in turn, so one can't say it is a one-sided thing.
Funny you mentioned Macau, they seem to be positioning themselves to "steal" assets from Hong Kong after (if) this law is passed. My attorney friends in Hong Kong have noted increasing cases of charges being filed in Macau against HK citizens. Now, they can't do anything to them (yet), but they're waiting. In one case, a HKers filed a business complaint with the Chinese authority and somehow he is charged with the crime of filing false complaint, by Macau government (!!!??), LOL!!! He didn't even file the complaint in Macau but somehow Macau is now charging him for it. Similar cases are happening at an increasing rate - bribery charges, falsifying documents, and even for things that are legal like filing a complaint with the authorities. It'd be funny if it isn't also scary.
Of course China has laws, but their law operates very differently from the western system. In almost all cases, the verdict has been decided before the trials. Lawyers can be arrested for defending their clients too effectively. In China, your lawyer has to first save his/her own self in defending you and often times just coerce you into pleading guilty. Witnesses can be put in jail for testifying on your behalf. It's not straight forward like the US, there are lots of politics in the court system in China.
China is not Switzerland, that's for sure.
Then again, with so many foreign governments and organizations (pseudo-NGOs etc.) trying to undermine the communist party's rule, it is pretty logical that China crushes law firms like Fengrui that focus on defending opponents of the government and try to politicize trials. I mean, the Chinese must know by now that they don't live in Switzerland and can't really challenge their government.
China is not Switzerland, that's for sure.
Then again, with so many foreign governments and organizations (pseudo-NGOs etc.) trying to undermine the communist party's rule, it is pretty logical that China crushes law firms like Fengrui that focus on defending opponents of the government and try to politicize trials. I mean, the Chinese must know by now that they don't live in Switzerland and can't really challenge their government.
China is not Switzerland, that's for sure.
Then again, with so many foreign governments and organizations (pseudo-NGOs etc.) trying to undermine the communist party's rule, it is pretty logical that China crushes law firms like Fengrui that focus on defending opponents of the government and try to politicize trials. I mean, the Chinese must know by now that they don't live in Switzerland and can't really challenge their government.
Errrr no. It is not at all logical, legal, or moral for a government to "crush" a law firm because the former doesn't like how they are practicing law legally.
And you wonder why millions of people are protesting being thrown into this F*** up system.
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China has no democratic history, unlike European countries and thus the US as well.
What happens when you challenge for instance the Saudi or Iranian government? They don't tolerate that, either. No kingdom or similar system allows citizens to challenge and remove the king, queen, or leader.
As long as the overwhelming majority of the Chinese are happy, there won't be massive protests.
China has no democratic history, unlike European countries and thus the US as well.
What happens when you challenge for instance the Saudi or Iranian government? They don't tolerate that, either. No kingdom or similar system allows citizens to challenge and remove the king, queen, or leader.
So now, you're comparing China's system to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Finally, we are all on the same page. You, me, and the HK protesters.
So now, you're comparing China's system to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Finally, we are all on the same page. You, me, and the HK protesters.
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Sure, it is not a democratic country, everyone knows that.
I am not on HK's side, though. They should start to accept that they are part of China now and that the rules are changing as a consequence. They have a pretty generous transition period for that purpose.
China has no democratic history, unlike European countries and thus the US as well.
What happens when you challenge for instance the Saudi or Iranian government? They don't tolerate that, either. No kingdom or similar system allows citizens to challenge and remove the king, queen, or leader.
As long as the overwhelming majority of the Chinese are happy, there won't be massive protests.
We didn't have any democratic history, either.
But the Chinese do have a long history of revolutions, which is what would need to happen here at this point. It would be hard, but in no way would it be impossible. And that goes for not only China, but also the other countries you mention as well.
As long as the overwhelming majority of Chinese are sufficiently intimidated and fearful, there will not be massive protests. And this is the mindset of the Chinese Communist central government, make no mistake about it.
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