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According to this, the Police were at the store on a call of a separate, unrelated shoplifting incident. Employees and customers told the Police about another shoplifting incident involving women and toys and directed the officers to the car in the lot. One woman dropped a box of tin foil. Police told the driver to stop/ get out. Instead, the driver pulled away with the officers in pursuit.
They dropped two woman off who dropped her bags at the curb. One had shoplifted. She also had outstanding warrants.
The driver reportedly tossed underwear he shoplifted out the window.
Other stolen items were reportedly found in the car.
Guy was driving on a suspended license.
Sounds like this extended family may be serial shoplifters.
Failing to follow Police instructions to stop tends to not have good outcomes.
In this case, a settlement will happen. No way this is going to trial.
That along with body cams would go a long way. Their supervisors need to be taken to task also.
i agree with the body cams, they should be mandatory for ALL officers, including the higher ups.
i also think that ANY cop that does not step in to diffuse situations like this, should be charged with conspiracy to commit, and being an accomplice of any crime the initial officer is charged with.
i agree with the body cams, they should be mandatory for ALL officers, including the higher ups.
i also think that ANY cop that does not step in to diffuse situations like this, should be charged with conspiracy to commit, and being an accomplice of any crime the initial officer is charged with.
Agreed.
cops are paid to be the example, to be the go to person. They are not paid to be judge jury and executioner. The behavior of those cops screams of a culture that makes it ok to bully civilians.
Regardless of whether it was intentional or not (we're talking about a *toddler* here), the response was absurdly over the top.
Can a jury sentence you to death for shoplifting? No.
Thereby, is it justifiable for a cop to threaten to put a bullet in someone suspected of shoplifting? No.
This. Terrifying a young family is never a good policy. I just can't get why they think it's ok to do this over a doll. They said the parents shoplifted but no charges were filed....they thought the parents were armed....but still no reason to respond like they are murderers.
The cop kicking the man for not immediately following his orders was so out of place, so full of anger..
..wish he'd be fired. Bully.
i agree with the body cams, they should be mandatory for ALL officers, including the higher ups.
i also think that ANY cop that does not step in to diffuse situations like this, should be charged with conspiracy to commit, and being an accomplice of any crime the initial officer is charged with.
Body cams... pft! You don't know how hard it is to get body cam footage from the DA. It takes an act of god, even after the States AG, says they MUST release it.
FoIA or not, they will stonewall you!
Here is a short, of the open records game the bad cops play, when you are treated as property.
Body cams... pft! You don't know how hard it is to get body cam footage from the DA. It takes an act of god, even after the States AG, says they MUST release it.
FoIA or not, they will stonewall you!
Here is a short, of the open records game the bad cops play, when you are treated as property.
i get that getting just about anything from the DA and the LEOs is hard, but one must be persistent using the courts. get a court order to the body cam footage, and the DA wont release it? file charges in federal court against the DA on a variety of charges like contempt of court, prosecutorial misconduct, conspiracy to commit, and anything else your lawyer can think up. and yes it is expensive, but then so is going to jail for a crime you didnt commit, or having to pay medical bills caused by a cop roach that should be in prison for crimes they committed while on the job.
if you are the subject of an illegal arrest, illegal harassment by the LEOs, etc. are you going to just roll over and do what they want you to do just to get along? are you going to give up all your rights because some cop roach is threatening to arrest you for not doing so? if you are then where does it end? if you really want to live in a police state then cuba or north korea might be more to your liking, otherwise exercise the laws of this country.
Agreed.
cops are paid to be the example, to be the go to person. They are not paid to be judge jury and executioner. The behavior of those cops screams of a culture that makes it ok to bully civilians.
When you remind a cop they work for you, their ego kicks in.
Public servant was sold to them in the Academy, as they are the law.
You would be surprised, a cop can lie to you, but you cannot lie to a cop.
Cops make up laws that violate a persons civil rights, on the spot.
Failure to ID is one of the biggest abuses they use. Some states, like Louisiana are Gestapo States and you must ID when asked, as if you are the States property.
Here in Texas 3802, parts a & b - State, you must have committed a crime to ID.
Cuffing you for their safety, while they detain you for an investigation and you have committed no crime, is also a big civil rights violation they commit.
Brown v. Texas
"Am I being detained?" No.... Then I will be on my way. If I am free to go, I am free to stay.
If a yes, then I will exercise my 5th amendment. It is, "Shut the **** up Friday"! They will never get ID.
Cops no longer approach situations with calmly, and they no longer talk to people. People skills are no longer a requirement for cops. All alleged infractions of any law are now approached as if those involved are armed and dangerous. If you argue and/or disagree with police orders and actions, well, that's what Tazers, sap gloves, spring batons, OC spray and sidearms are for.
Citizens are the enemy. That said yes, there are good cops out there who still try and resolve issues by talking and being calm. But agency policy more and more train officers to be soldiers on a battlefield and not keepers of the peace.
i get that getting just about anything from the DA and the LEOs is hard, but one must be persistent using the courts. get a court order to the body cam footage, and the DA wont release it? file charges in federal court against the DA on a variety of charges like contempt of court, prosecutorial misconduct, conspiracy to commit, and anything else your lawyer can think up. and yes it is expensive, but then so is going to jail for a crime you didnt commit, or having to pay medical bills caused by a cop roach that should be in prison for crimes they committed while on the job.
if you are the subject of an illegal arrest, illegal harassment by the LEOs, etc. are you going to just roll over and do what they want you to do just to get along? are you going to give up all your rights because some cop roach is threatening to arrest you for not doing so? if you are then where does it end? if you really want to live in a police state then cuba or north korea might be more to your liking, otherwise exercise the laws of this country.
Have the ability to livestream, and always video the police!
Turner v. Driver.
Brown v. Texas
Have the ability to livestream, and always video the police!
Turner v. Driver.
Brown v. Texas
good advice.
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