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Old 06-17-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Speaking in general terms, we should be collecting about 1.5 Trillion more a year. Most of that would not be in simple taxes....we need to extract some of it from the War Machine and from Twice The Price health care and higher gas taxes (for infrastructure).
Bolded above is one of many euphemisms the left uses for "take by force", "seize". and "steal".
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: DFW
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to fund free healthcare and college, taxes would have to drastically go up on the middle class. Forget about the line "make the rich pay for it". There are not enough of the 1% to fund everything free for the 99%.



So...what beloved social programs would you be willing to cut to fund free health care and college?
Whatever Norway is doing is what I want. Tax rate is 40%, which is the big argument of non-liberals (which BTW I find so humorous, as if we liberals did not already know that!)
But if there were national healthcare, and the money now taken out of check for "family plan" healthcare were put into that tax, the change would be nominal
Example: spouse makes $50k/year, paid weekly. Each check gets approximately $200 deducted for family plan x 52 weeks/year = $10,600 paid each year for health care.
Spouse also pays 2 student loans, one for each kid (they each pay 2 of their own as well), at another $200/month per, or $400/month x 12 = $4800/year
Grand total of payments for school and healthcare: $15,400
40% taxes on his salary of $50k = $20,000
Difference of $4600 between the two, divided by 52 checks is an additional $88 per check

This does not take into account how costs of both healthcare and school would be controlled, such as with a medicaid cost sheet in healthcare, so there could possibly be $0 increase in weekly payments, or it could decrease.
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Old 06-17-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Maybe make social programs, and those designed purely for Social Engineering purpose (payback, punishment, retribution of Whites and Men) to be paid solely by Democrat voters. The other essential programs like National Defense, Roads, etc can be paid by all people. Everybody's happy!
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Whatever Norway is doing is what I want. Tax rate is 40%, which is the big argument of non-liberals (which BTW I find so humorous, as if we liberals did not already know that!)
But if there were national healthcare, and the money now taken out of check for "family plan" healthcare were put into that tax, the change would be nominal
Example: spouse makes $50k/year, paid weekly. Each check gets approximately $200 deducted for family plan x 52 weeks/year = $10,600 paid each year for health care.
Spouse also pays 2 student loans, one for each kid (they each pay 2 of their own as well), at another $200/month per, or $400/month x 12 = $4800/year
Grand total of payments for school and healthcare: $15,400
40% taxes on his salary of $50k = $20,000
Difference of $4600 between the two, divided by 52 checks is an additional $88 per check

This does not take into account how costs of both healthcare and school would be controlled, such as with a medicaid cost sheet in healthcare, so there could possibly be $0 increase in weekly payments, or it could decrease.
If Norway takes 40% of a 50K salary along with a 25% VAT, then a citizen is essentially a slave who can use a healthcare ration from time to time. No thanks.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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That’s a complete myth.

We spent more on debt interest than public school would cost.

We have a terribly inefficient health care system is the issue, spending twice as much for the same service.
I don't spend anything.

My employer provides my health insurance and it kicks ass!

Why would I want to relieve my greedy employer, a wealthy international corporation, of this normal business expense?

Better question is why would I want to pay for my own healthcare coverage if I don't have to?
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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What social program?
Transfer of taxpayor wealth to the rich.
Eliminate it.

Initiate a 30% tax on the likes of Trump and Mcconnel. ..with a50% tax to fund American citizen healthcare aka pay the doctors. ...on all income from foreign entities for which our countries traitors are involved. ...
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Why not eliminate all social programs and not institute more and then have a huge rebate to those who pay taxes.

Hunger is so great motivator to get a job.
The unemployment rate was at record lows yesterday. Did something happen?
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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Bolded above is one of many euphemisms the left uses for "take by force", "seize". and "steal".
Uh, how can you "steal" money that was borrowed from us and our children and is being used for enriching all the ex-Brass selling their souls for high-end yachts and vacation houses.

How can anyone say that WASTING money by the 100's of billions for the Military Industrial Complex is somehow OK, but moving some of it for bridges, roads and education is not?

That takes a certain world view which has nothing to do with our founding or the enlightenment. You are free to have such views, but they are not the foundation of our great nation.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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If Norway takes 40% of a 50K salary along with a 25% VAT, then a citizen is essentially a slave who can use a healthcare ration from time to time. No thanks.

In the Deutschlands, single mothers can't get kicked out of their apartments. And they get money for being single mothers, but if they don't pay their rent, the landlords can't do anything. That's why their taxes are so high, and the immigrants don't like these new immigrants stepping on a good thing for them.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Will everyone pay the same dollars, ot do some people pay $5 for their burger while otgers pay $750 for that same burger?
IIRC the median percent paid for health insurance by US companies is 9% of payroll.
The median employee share is say 3%.

This gets us 12% of payroll. =$??? SAME AS CURRENT
Current medicare inputs =???
Current medicaid expenditures = ???
A few others
= Total

minus
See a GP is say $25.00 (includes basic specialists like gyno)
See a mid range specialist like ENT is say $50.00
See a brain surgeon is say $100.00
Operation is say $2000 OOP
Lets make the deductible $2000 / $4000 family

Equals how much more needed???


Of course noone is bringing up the monopolistic practices of phara, hospitals, and AMA on the cost end.

Why not have common medicine trials with say Canada, Germany + UK? These are hardly backwater third world hellholes.
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