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Old 06-23-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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No, government picking winners and losers is not the Ameican way.
Anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws have been a part of the American way since 1890. Those laws have nothing to do with picking winners and losers. Imagine if Amazon took over the entire retail marketplace, putting WalMart, Target, Macy's, etc. all out of business. You'd only have one place to shop and they could charge whatever they want because there would be no competition. That's not freedom.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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The end result of unregulated capitalism is the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. The 1% will continue to hoard more and more resources, while everyone else scrambles for the crumbs. This is why government for the people, by the people exists to set the rules so that the few powerful elitists don't dominate and control our way of life and existence. A functional society has to set boundaries and rules...just like in a football game, so that everyone plays fairly. Most people in this country don't have millions and billions of dollars to gobble as much land as they want. There has to be limitations, otherwise the balance of power and ultimate decision making gets tilted into the hands of a few. This is not how America was intended to function. This is what we escaped from in Europe where the landlords and local aristocrats owned all the land and everyone else was serfs (renters/servants).

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Old 06-23-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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Anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws have been a part of the American way since 1890. Those laws have nothing to do with picking winners and losers. Imagine if Amazon took over the entire retail marketplace, putting WalMart, Target, Macy's, etc. all out of business. You'd only have one place to shop and they could charge whatever they want because there would be no competition. That's not freedom.
False assumption. Only the government could prevent anyone from competing against Amazon.

How old is Amazon? Was it started by a billionaire or large corporation?

Amazon is a great example of how some dude borrowing money from his parents can bring large corporations to their knees.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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" If one can't start a thread on a controversial subject"

Looks like it s ONLY YOU who think it is controversial!

That is not true. Read the Idaho papers. The Wilkes and their tactics are news in Idaho and Montana.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That is not true. Read the Idaho papers. The Wilkes and their tactics are news in Idaho and Montana.
HOW on earth are Constitutional property rights "news" to anyone? They've been in existence for 230 years.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Apparently, the Wilks have a habit of claiming portions of public lands as their own or denying access to it..

https://helenair.com/news/local/stat...59765e9bc7.htm
Dang, what's the point of being filthy rich if you can't live in privilege and exclusivity and keep the riff-raff confined in their place?
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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Dang, what's the point of being filthy rich if you can't live in privilege and exclusivity and keep the riff-raff confined in their place?
So, the government should eliminate private property?

I think that is practically the case in North Korea.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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HOW on earth are Constitutional property rights "news" to anyone? They've been in existence for 230 years.
When the private property is completely blocking access to a public land...then yes, it's news.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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How so? And why doesn't the government (whether local, state, or federal) provide access to public lands? Providing such access is the government's responsibility. Private property owners are under no obligation whatsoever to provide a public access point to public lands across their privately-owned land unless they voluntarily grant a public use easement or there's already a legally recorded public use easement on the property.

Yes, they can do all of that on their privately-owned land. That is guaranteed by the US Constitution's 5th Amendment's property rights and the Article VI Supremacy Clause.

There simply is no controversy. The US Constitution settled all of this 230 years ago.
I suggest you read the NY Times article yourself. The controversy is arising from the local people, not from the NY Times. I personally don't have a problem with what the Wilks did but I can see how it upset the locals. They complained loudly and apparently got the Wilks to open up the gates, so it was worthwhile for the locals to voice their complaints.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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Lol...so it’s okay if the United States becomes feudal Europe? What was the point of your ancestors coming to the Americas? To live under the same system where land is only in the hands of a few people? That’s what they were trying to escape.

100 families with 45 million acres! Lol...whatever. If that sounds good to you, then blehhhhh!
To be honest about the matter...if the prospect of 100 families holding 45 million acres leaves you a little queasy, then the reality of the FedGov holding 250 million acres in the West leaves you crawling about on all fours, vomiting with white-hot rage.
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