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Old 06-24-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Like I said, the military has a US Constitutional mandate. Neither health care nor education at any level does. If you're unhappy about that, you're in luck... The US Constitution provides a process for changing the Constitution: the Constitutional Amendment Ratification process. So... what are you waiting for? Get to it!
Yes it does. It's called "Promote the General Welfare" (Preamble).

You need to become better educated about the Constitution before you go around referencing it.

 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes it does. It's called "Promote the General Welfare" (Preamble).
Hmmm... Someone seems to have weak reading comprehension skills... Let's look at what that part of the Preamble actually says:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare..."

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You need to become better educated about the Constitution before you go around referencing it.
You need to look in the mirror at yourself when you say that. You're the one who doesn't understand the difference between "provide for" and "promote." For example, celebrities frequently promote products or brands in endorsements and advertisements. They DO NOT provide them for everyone. That's grade school vocabulary, so why are your skills so low?
 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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How would these professional students eat? Do they not want to start families? Turn off the movies and think about the real world.


When I received student loans, it was completely for cost of living, as I had scholarships. I would assume that loans are similarly obtained today for both tuition as well as living expenses while in school.


"The Dude" could actually buy a new rug that really tied the room together with such loans and afford to bowl very comfortably.
 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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If the seniors who particpate in stocks and bonds (the vast majority of them don't, only the relatively wealthy do) can't affford a meager 0.6% tax, then they frankly have much bigger problems beyond Boogieman Bernie.
Oh. H&#!. No.

Most of my adult life I've worked multiple jobs. I live in a 1,000 sq ft house and rent rooms to relatives. Drive a 6 yr old paid-off vehicle. Paid for my own college in my late 30s. Yes, I have a bit invested to supplement my SS, that I paid all those years.

I choose who I give to. Hands off my retirement.

Those that didn't save extra will be getting supported for housing, food, ect.
 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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If the seniors who particpate in stocks and bonds (the vast majority of them don't, only the relatively wealthy do) can't affford a meager 0.6% tax, then they frankly have much bigger problems beyond Boogieman Bernie.
I don't believe in taking from the elderly living on meager fixed-income budgets to fund carelessly and foolishly-planned educational pursuits. 40% of those who begin taking college courses never even earn a degree, even when taking classes for up to 6 years to do so. Why should retired seniors have to pay for that frivolity?
 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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More realistic solutions
1. Change cut off for student loan interest tax break from 2500 per household to unlimited.

2. Reduce tuition back to inflation adjusted 1990 levels.

3. Force all schools to publish up to date income and % employed in field of study for all degree programs

4. Strictly regulate for profit business "colleges"

5. Can something be done about insane endowment levels? Not allow them to raise tuition if their endowment exceeds $50k per student?
 
Old 06-24-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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Hmmm... Someone seems to have weak reading comprehension skills... Let's look at what that part of the Preamble actually says:

"...promote the general Welfare..."
That's literally what I said.

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Yes it does. It's called "Promote the General Welfare" (Preamble).

You need to become better educated about the Constitution before you go around referencing it.
 
Old 06-24-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: The 719
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As young people age and see exactly how much their tax withholding increases exponentially while their income only increases linearly, their support for those socialism-inspired programs wanes and dies.

I'll give an example of what I'm taking about using the latest published IRS tax data...

Household A: $50,000-income household pays (on average) an effective federal income tax rate of 7.81%, which is $3,905.

Household B: $300,000-income household pays (on average) an effective federal income tax rate of 23.49%, which is $70,470

Household B earns 6 times that of household B, but instead of paying 6 times as much in federal income tax, they pay 18 times as much.

While income increases linearly, the federal income tax charged on that income increases exponentially. That's what turns those who begin with socilalistic inclinations when they're younger into those who don't support the same as they age, gain more career experience, and their income rises.
Aren't there a bunch of liberal rich folks who claim they don't pay enough in taxes?

Can't they spearhead some sort of National Tuition Fund?

Gohead, I'll hold my breath...

Oh, haven't got my questions answered yet...

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Why stop at student loans?

Why doesn't the Gov't pay off my mortgage for me? I've paid my 30 year mortgage for over 19 years now. That should be enough. Then I could dump more money back into my own community.

The problem with a lot of college students is many drop out and don't even finish college.

Who's idea was it for the Gov't to get involved with student loans in the first place? The tuition for 18 to 21 credit hours my first semester of college was 495.00. Has it gone up lately or something?
Here's what Libertarian and FOX Hottie Kennedy says, "Too much administration and not enough education."

Imo, most if not all liberals are educated way beyond their intelligence and have been for years.
 
Old 06-24-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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All these Dems push for kids to get a college education but not every kid is college material or even wants to go. What about the kid that goes to a trade school? What about the kid that enters the family business? Why should these kids miss out on Bernie's proposed payout?



When I went to college right out of high school I went to a local community college and my parents paid. When I went back 10 years later for my BA I worked my butt off and paid for it myself. I commuted, didn't party on the weekends I worked a job to support myself. It was a real grind but I graduated debt free. maybe the problem with student debt is that the colleges are too much money and that should be changed?



Not all kids are cut out for the "college experience" so why should we pay for it? I think we have enough kids graduating with worthless degrees. My wife and I met a nice young woman the other evening and she told us that she majored in Medevil French art... Ok not much demand for that in the workforce so she is a dancer in NYC.





The funniest part of Bernie's proposal is that people will fall for it and vote for him and then when he gets into office the payout will go the way of Reparations, meaning no where. it is a political talking point.
 
Old 06-24-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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When I received student loans, it was completely for cost of living, as I had scholarships. I would assume that loans are similarly obtained today for both tuition as well as living expenses while in school.

"The Dude" could actually buy a new rug that really tied the room together with such loans and afford to bowl very comfortably.
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