Climate apartheid’: Rich people to buy their way out of environmental crisis while poor suffer, warns UN

[waltcolorado]

I doubt this will happen as it will put the deniers at a disadvantage.. but how about anytime you claim something (like the land is falling, not the ocean rising), that you simply fact check yourself and show the link you found. It just shows someone agrees with you. Without references, you have no credibility with me and I have no credibility with you. The references also keep the conversation civil.

[biggunsmallbrains]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

AGW is not real, but if it was, you couldn't stop it.

Huh? That makes no sense. If it’s real, it can’t be stopped? So you don’t believe in all the science supporting global warming but you believe the science has shown it can’t be stopped? You remind me of attorney general when he said, “we’re all going to die anyway.” Lol. You must be a hoot at parties.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by waltcolorado

I doubt this will happen as it will put the deniers at a disadvantage.. but how about anytime you claim something (like the land is falling, not the ocean rising), that you simply fact check yourself and show the link you found. It just shows someone agrees with you. Without references, you have no credibility with me and I have no credibility with you. The references also keep the conversation civil.

disadvantages are painful....

Plenty of places where the land is sinking faster than the sea is rising...
...if sea level rise stopped tomorrow....they would still sink

Subsidence along the Atlantic Coast of North America: Insights from GPS and late Holocene relative sea level data

"The present‐day subsidence rates in these areas are approximately double the long‐term geologic rates, which has important implications for flood mitigation. Tide gauge records, therefore, should be used with caution for studying sea‐level rise in this region."

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....2/2016GL068015

[waltcolorado]

Thanks for the reference, it gives us something real to discuss.

The reference just given shows some areas on the Eastern seaboard with specific areas dropping between zero to 3 mm per year. I want to point out this is LAND level drop.

This link below from Nasa shows actual SEA LEVEL increase and its running 3.3 mm per year. This is actual Satellite date so not subject to an error from land level change but only goes back to when Satellites were used to measure this. A second plot shows land based measurements over a longer time period.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

The link presented by the last poster really had nothing to do with actual sea level rise on the planet. Its easy to find references of Satellite data (which is accurate) on sea level measurements that show it actually is rising.

And that is why we need references.

You can also find many predictions on sea level rise but you have to keep in mind they are predictions and could be wrong.

Here is one https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...a-map-for-that

Sea levels could rise as much as 19 inches by 2050, according to what the report calls “mid-range projections.”

2050 is about 30 years from now. Compare the mid range prediction of 19 inches to the 1.5 mm per year drop given in the previous posters reference. 31 years at 1.5 mm is 46 mm or 1.8 inches. Hmm..

We have to realize also that the higher rates of sea level change are predicted to occur later in this century. From this link https://www.nap.edu/read/13389/chapter/7#87

I thought that everyone knew about coastal subsidence due to effect of having over a mile of ice having melted from the land mass from the last ice age. One presumed that this was common knowledge- however, we can simply discard that and conclude that it is due to CO2! In that the AGW crowd actually believes that the oceans are rising on the coast of the US, rather than the land subsiding

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Scratching my head a little as I guess the post above was supposed to show that the oceans are not rising on the east coast of the US.

[carcrazy67]

Originally Posted by biggunsmallbrains

Nor have I. Hopefully fusion will be a viable alternative soon enough too. There’s lots of viable alternatives to burning old dinosaur bones. But there’s lots of fossil fuel interests that have republicans by the balls and would love to keep that status quo... until we tap out this planet.

The biggest problem with ever having additional nuclear power plants are the left wing "green" activists who are against it!

[katharsis]

Rich people can often buy their way out of MANY unpleasant things. Nothing new about that.

Another news flash: Life is not fair. (Unfortunately.)

[Hrw-500]

Originally Posted by saltine

Last week it was whiteys fault. Msm sure likes to divide the suckers.

I begin to wonder if whites are the new jews for the blame game?