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Marshae Jones was 5 months pregnant. She got into a confrontation with another woman over the father of her baby. The fight ended up with the other woman shooting Jones in the stomach. She lost the baby. Now Alabama is charging Jones. As a pregnant woman, the state says, she should not have gotten into that argument.
So the state wants to control pregnant women and when they have disagreements with others?
This is the world conservatives want. I wouldn't be surprised if we are headed towards a time where if a woman miscarries naturally she risks being charged.
I wasn’t there, and neither were you. But yes, IF she threatened someone else with bodily harm, then it is HER fault that she got shot.
Do you think there is a reasonable expectation that if you instigate an argument or fight that you will be shot?
Should this reasoning also be applied as Annie53 suggested if a parent is a gang banger, drug dealer or engages in any risky behavior that results in their child being killed? What about any person who is shot or killed engaged in a confrontation, should the shooter be absolved of the crime?
Sounds right to me. She started the fight, and she knew she was pregnant.
And I’m not even a “pro-lifer” btw.
Bingo.
I note that even abortionist states like NY have charged people with 2 murders where their actions have led to the deaths of a woman and her unborn child. If this case makes Alabama like the Taliban, what does what I just mentioned make NY?
Here is NYS law on the matter:
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S 125.00 Homicide defined.
Homicide means conduct which causes the death of a person or an unborn child with which a female has been pregnant for more than twenty-four weeks under circumstances constituting murder, manslaughter in the first degree, manslaughter in the second degree, criminally negligent homicide, abortion in the first degree or self-abortion in the first degree.
Wow. I generally refrain from disparaging remarks about entire states or regions, but it seems Alabama has been quite a magnet for illogic and stupidity.
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Originally Posted by southernnaturelover
Sounds right to me. She started the fight, and she knew she was pregnant.
With that type of convoluted logic, pregnant women shouldn't:
drive - they might get in a car accident and if the accident isn't their fault but they have a miscarriage, they could be prosecuted for killing their child;
swim - they could drown, etc. etc.
cross the street - they could get hit by a car, etc. etc.
walk up and down the stairs in their homes or offices - they could trip and fall, etc. etc.
prepare food in the kitchen - they could stab themselves with a sharp knife, etc. etc.
go to the grocery store - they could slip and fall on some spilled water in the produce department (there's always spilled water in the produce department), etc. etc.
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Originally Posted by MPowering1
Do you honestly think ANYONE would start a fight if they thought it would result in being shot?
And would the victim of the shooting be blamed for the incident if she weren't pregnant?
I note that even abortionist states like NY have charged people with 2 murders where their actions have led to the deaths of a woman and her unborn child. If this case makes Alabama like the Taliban, what does what I just mentioned make NY?
So she had an expectation that confronting another woman she saw as threatening the relationship with her baby's father would result in her being shot, and her unborn child dying? That's reasonable to you?
I note that even abortionist states like NY have charged people with 2 murders where their actions have led to the deaths of a woman and her unborn child. If this case makes Alabama like the Taliban, what does what I just mentioned make NY?
Are we forgetting that it was someone else who pulled the trigger. The person actually killing the fetus is the one who is charged in fetal homicide laws.
Are we forgetting that it was someone else who pulled the trigger. The person actually killing the fetus is the one who is charged in fetal homicide laws.
Every state allows for the charge of reckless homicide, where one can be charged even though one may not have "pulled the trigger" based on one's recklessness leading to the conditions that led to homicide. This is not some new or unique concept.
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