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Old 06-28-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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However much we disagree on the implementation, the overwhelming majority of us still accept it is as our bedrock.
I actually think the wording of the second amendment is prescient genius.

By using categorical terminology, the amendment sets the groundwork for a perpetual contest between stringent versus permissive interpretations. The point behind this is to allow only the most sober restrictions on ownership as a culture develops over time.

At least that's the theory. The gun grabber vs gun nut polemic we see today is probably by design.

 
Old 06-28-2019, 11:57 AM
 
Location: West Seattle
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The idea that gun control enables authoritarian regimes like the Third Reich to flourish is widely considered to be discredited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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It's not the like USA is the only democratic nation never to have had a dictator. Canada, New Zealand and Australia have never had one and yet none of them have the US Constitution or gun laws
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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The idea that gun control enables authoritarian regimes like the Third Reich to flourish is widely considered to be discredited.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument
Yet it’s not discredited your stupid propaganda withstanding.
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:07 PM
 
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It's not the like USA is the only democratic nation never to have had a dictator. Canada, New Zealand and Australia have never had one and yet none of them have the US Constitution or gun laws
Sure we did, King George III and we fought to free ourselves. The Canadians didn’t have the balls to do it, followed a tyrant instead.
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why is it, that despite propping up numerous dictatorships and staging numerous coups and no matter how tyrannical it is, the US itself has never suffered from one?

I'm not talking about the ones where it almost suffered it or from rebellions that could have lead to it and especially not the ones from the past; I'm talking about at present times and a real dictatorship that is ruled by a power hungry maniac who is willing to murder millions of his/her own people to remain in power and to pillage the country until every single wealth is in his/her grasp like Pol Pot or Robert Mugabe? Or a violent coup where hundreds if not thousands of people die similar to the one that happened in Turkey? And Why hasn't the enemies of the US ever used coups or dictators as weapons against the US? If it works in other countries, why can't it work in the US? Is the US government that strong? Is the will of the American people that strong? What is the difference between the US and those countries that have suffered from coups and dictatorships and will it ever happened to the US at some point?

Every attempted and/or successful assassination, is a coup.

Apparently, you are unaware of the republican form of government, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, wherein the American people are "sovereigns without subjects," and the president is merely the highest ranking public SERVANT, one step down in status from the lowest American sovereign.

But it is to be expected, since most Americans are victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry, and are loathe to read their own laws and history.


There is a reason, the people are armed as well, if not better than the government we allow to exist, is.
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Same reason as why an invasion wouldn't be successful - huge landmass to try to control.
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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I think separation of powers is at least part of it - the president just doesn't have that much power. Also, the other branches of government have plenty of both liberals and conservatives, so they'll never be unified in support of the president and willing to assist his takeover of the country.

And to my knowledge, coups usually happen in countries with worse standards of living and under greater geopolitical threat than the US has been in a very long time - in other words, the American people aren't in crisis and have no reason to politically mobilize behind a coup.
Coups actually seem more likely in presidential systems than in parliamentary systems.

I think the US has never had a coup because we inherited a strong tradition of rule of law and fair play from the British, because the democratic system has worked as a pressure relief valve occasionally, and because Americans have always been fantastically rich and comfortable compared to other people.
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Many believe there was a coup on 11/22/63. It just didn't look like one.
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Why is it, that despite propping up numerous dictatorships and staging numerous coups and no matter how tyrannical it is, the US itself has never suffered from one?

I'm not talking about the ones where it almost suffered it or from rebellions that could have lead to it and especially not the ones from the past; I'm talking about at present times and a real dictatorship that is ruled by a power hungry maniac who is willing to murder millions of his/her own people to remain in power and to pillage the country until every single wealth is in his/her grasp like Pol Pot or Robert Mugabe? Or a violent coup where hundreds if not thousands of people die similar to the one that happened in Turkey? And Why hasn't the enemies of the US ever used coups or dictators as weapons against the US? If it works in other countries, why can't it work in the US? Is the US government that strong? Is the will of the American people that strong? What is the difference between the US and those countries that have suffered from coups and dictatorships and will it ever happened to the US at some point?
 
Old 06-28-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I believe that right now we are experiencing a coup by the radical religious right.
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