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Why can’t the west coast states (CA, OR, WA) separate and become an independent nation? Then all of the Trumpers will have their right-wing paradise!
That may be the only way the GOP wins the national popular vote in the foreseeable future, considering how trends are going. That’s why these bold statements of Trump winning like Nixon in 1972 or Reagan 1984 are just bat s*** crazy. We’re not the same country we were 50 years ago and there are fewer of those Nixon/Reagan voters every year. The GOP will eventually have to broaden their level of support instead of just doubling down on the same diminishing base. There’s no evidence at all that Trump is doing that, and if the base doesn’t broaden, the odds of continued success get smaller every year.
That may be the only way the GOP wins the national popular vote in the foreseeable future, considering how trends are going. That’s why these bold statements of Trump winning like Nixon in 1972 or Reagan 1984 are just bat s*** crazy. We’re not the same country we were 50 years ago and there are fewer of those Nixon/Reagan voters every year. The GOP will eventually have to broaden their level of support instead of just doubling down on the same diminishing base. There’s no evidence at all that Trump is doing that, and if the base doesn’t broaden, the odds of continued success get smaller every year.
2020 will likely be the last boomer-dominant election. Right-wing authoritarianism doesn't sell as well with younger generations.
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If Trump wins again, will the left, the media, and the universities blame the electorate again, or will they take the time to truly examine their own ideas, ideals, and policies? Will ordinary people be labeled as "deplorable" again?
I already did my examining - and it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, "socialism", and other social tolerance issues. The real issues - the ones politics can deal with in the short to medium-term, at least - has to do with too many tax cuts to the 1% of the 1% especially, too many loopholes for corporations, thereby diverting wealth from the wider economy, cutting government to the point that it barely exists except for police and military (instead of further funding education, health care, and infrastructure improvement). Worker retraining for the "industries of tomorrow" so those laid off won't get stuck into long-term underemployment, and so forth.
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I don't think a lot of independents want healthcare for illegal immigrants when many Americans already either don't have healthcare and where it's far too expensive for everyone.
I don't think independents want a bigot as a president either. Neither do they want a president with a bull in the porcelain shop on foreign policy.
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When does it end? Obviously the left wants to allow non-citizens to be able to vote too, but that completely wipes out the right of citizens to vote. I'm not allowed to go to Brazil or Albania or India and vote in their elections....but the far left believes that anyone should be allowed to set foot on our soil for a day and cast a ballot? Crazy.
Obviously? I'm not for letting non-citizens vote, but I'm sure not for stigmatizing them so strongly as to "make" them lower than a garden-variety home burglar or (worse) spouse abuser.
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Student loans? Sorry, I paid mine (with two trips to Iraq). Everyone else can pay theirs too. Presumably everyone who gets a college degree benefits tremendously from it, so why should people who never even went to college (and who thus, traditionally, earn less money) be forced to pay taxes to benefit people who did? In another vein, why should a rough-n-tough welder who decided to go to work for a living be forced to pay some crybaby artist who got a degree in painting and now works in retail folding clothes or busing tables? I'm throwing out examples, but hopefully somebody gets the point.
You mean Uncle Sam paid for your student loans (or paid off them, whatever). Not everybody's cut out for the military.
BTW, as for "paying for college", Obama wanted to make at least the first two years of college free. That'd've been "everybody paying for it", even those who benefit from it. Sorry, but the price of living in anything resembling a civilized society is that everybody has to pay up for some things - especially things that benefit society as a whole.
Maybe the "crybaby artist" ("crybaby" is just sheer bigotry against sensitive people, btw, just a heads up) plans to go to graduate school, or get a masters in another field - like graphic design and programming, so he could work for a video game company. At any rate, if you don't want universities to teach art, then start upping the funding for the National Endowment for the Arts - so they can issue grants to people who want to practice their art, music, etc.
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And then what other issues are on people's minds? Do we ban guns? Do we get even softer on crime? Are we going to let gangs keep dominating the streets of our major cities?
Gangs dominate US streets much more than in other parts of the world that don't have guns. In fact, most of the world does not value private ownership of firearms nearly as much as the USA does. They have far fewer guns per capita, and have lower crime rates.
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Do we keep sending kids off to die in the middle east for the benefit of Israel, oil companies, and defense contractors....because it's not just the GOP who acquiesces to that and the DNC is all for supporting those entities while giving lip-service to the electorate about being more anti-war. What other issues are on people's minds?
The GOP is definitely taken over by the demagogues now, so they are clearly worse. Also, how about other alliances. We send men and women to Korea, Japan, Europe for their benefit too. Are you going to call for dissolving all those alliances too (not that I'm a fanboy of Israel, just that it's interesting that you should point them out while ignoring other alliance obligations we have the world over).
Almost ashamed to say this but I'm really looking forward to seeing the look on Maddow's face when it happens.. And it will happen. The Democratic platform is an absolute train wreck. They've simply lost track of what's important to your average American.
I can't wait. It all happened so fast last time. I missed all the crying.
He did lose the popular election by nearly three million votes, but luckily the electoral college saved him.
Trump is an idiot and has no business being president, but unfortunately he was able to play tens of millions of Americans for suckers, and our country was dumb enough to elect him.
Dems, if you want to beat Trump, get your **** together and push forward a qualified, amiable candidate.
Nah, by the time you count ballot stuffing in California, Illinois and the crap they tried in Broward County Florida you can easily account for 3 million "votes".
In California anyone who's a "resident" can vote, and no one bothers with ID's. Citizen? If you or I tried to go vote in any other country from Paraguay to Macedonia they'd laugh us out of their with a kick in the rear at a minimum or we'd be thrown in prison with a hefty fine. But in the USA it's alright to just show up, fill out some bubbles and shove it into a machine and no one bothers to check.
There are places in urban areas, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc. where precincts vote 100% or nearly 100% for the left, so there's no disincentive for the people running the polling stations to stuff a few hundred extra ballots into machines, no one's watching, there are no cameras, and they have no moral qualms about doing it as it's a means to their ends.
And how hard is it to fill out multiple fake names with multiple addresses and cast several ballots? There is no one checking. Did anyone check you or I when we registered to vote? If you change addresses does anyone truly check?
Not to mention motor voter is present major issues, now that many states require anyone receiving a license to be registered. Well guess what, many states are giving licenses to illegals.
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