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Old 06-29-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Who doesn't like government stealing money from people.... Oh yeah, pretty much everybody....

 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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No one does socialism better than the Republicans!

Consider the bailout of big banks by GWB. Consider the big bailout of farmers by yours truly.

TRUMP'S ROAD TO SOCIALISM
 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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Aside from the fact this is not a discussion about superiority of systems but rather what constitutes a metric of Socialism, and aside from the fact that Canadians are NOT capitulating to anything by determining all of us will be covered from cradle to grave with a system delivering better outcomes for half the payment as compared to the U.S. I'll nevertheless play your game as I have access to far more ammo.

The New York Times? You're chitting me right? An American publication and you see no conflicting prejudice there?

Here let me help you out a bit with less biased and far more relevant sources than an American publication receiving advertising funding from American medical/pharma entities:

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com

https://newsinteractive.post-gazette.../poorhealth/1/

Americans capitulating to waiting for charity based mobile clinics to arrive:
https://khn.org/news/uninsured-in-co...nteer-clinics/

Americans capitulating to terrible quality:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medi...n-america.html

Americans capitulating to more of them dying:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...coverage-death

Americans capitulating and relying upon waiting for a free clinic:
https://www.dw.com/en/uninsured-amer...ics/a-18740612

An unbiased discussion about wait times:
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...-doctor-canada

Americans capitulating and deciding roll the dice:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...alth-insurance

Finally:

This has been fun. Whanna 'nuther go around?
Sure. You blew that one. The contest was sponsored by the NY Times but the article which you obviously didn't bother to read was written from a Canadian viewpoint. Good job googling every socialist rag who advocates for socialized health care. Any third grader across the globe could do that, Bubbles.

As usual, you think you have ammo, but your powder was wet, as you are, behind the ears. I especially relish your condescension towards Americans. I bet you're Mr. Nice guy when you are snow-birding down here for six months, but right behind your thin, false veneer of goodwill lies a river of contempt for and feeling of superiority towards Americans that don't share your point of view.

You can have your system. Shove it actually. I'll keep my private insurance.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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No one does socialism better than the Republicans!

Consider the bailout of big banks by GWB. Consider the big bailout of farmers by yours truly.

TRUMP'S ROAD TO SOCIALISM
Obama and GWB did that... Farmers were being compensated for government actions.... It's much different than stealing someone's money for whatever I choose to do with it socialism...
 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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"Can We Please Relax About ‘Socialism’?"

Translation = Just bend over and lets us try !!!
We're from the gov. and this is going to be in your better interest !!!
 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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A Republican majority approved the 16th Amendment in 1909 which gave the Federal Government the right to tax income and not reallocate it back to states on the basis of population.

States/ counties/ municipalities tax on the basis of property, income and consumption to fund local services.

Taxation is an element of socialism.

Taxation coexists with with capitalism whereby most stuff is privately- owned and most businesses, including not for profits, are focused on profit.

Insurance has been around for 700+ years. All public and private insurance, healthcare, life, liability, fire, marine, accident, worker’s compensation, auto, disability, income, property, casualty, business continuity, crop etc, mutualize risk- socialization.

Obviously, socialism has become the buzz word of the 2020 election. No shortage of silly comparisons with Venezuela, USSR, Cuba and NK.

Let me know when the US Federal Government is going to take over all property, close the stock/ bond markets, eliminate profits and decide everything for everyone.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If you want examples of how socialism works in the good ole US of A, look no further than the education and transportation systems.
Now tell us how you want more of either
Excellent point.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I am just as worried about the Totalitarian nature of socialism as I am about forced confiscation of wealth and income for other people's uses. The few ALWAYS benefit while the vast majority of people suffer. What all the Democrat candidates are proposing is extremely scary.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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The real issue here is that the democrats are supporting an agenda so unpopular (Socialism) that writers are jumping in trying to change people's minds.
A majority of Americans support what you refer to as "socialism", like a much higher minimum wage, guaranteed paid vacation and sick leave for all workers, stronger labor unions, a national health care system, higher benefits for the elderly and the disabled and a ban on for profit prisons.
 
Old 06-29-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No one does socialism better than the Republicans!

Consider the bailout of big banks by GWB. Consider the big bailout of farmers by yours truly.

TRUMP'S ROAD TO SOCIALISM
Oh, good grief. Even MORE lefty ignorance.

Quote:
The State of the Bailout

OUTFLOWS: $632 billion This includes money that has actually been spent, invested, or loaned.

INFLOWS: $740 billion Money returned and paid to Treasury as interest, dividends, fees or to repurchase their stock warrants.

...the government has realized a $107B profit as of Feb. 25, 2019.
https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/
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