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Because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it wasn't in the works.
That's the thing - -historically administrations don't grandstand -- They don't promote, make a show of all the background back and forth. I've included specific events for the first couple of years....there's more at the site.
Look -- nothing wrong with trying to work with North Korea. But it is an absolute falsehood to suggest Trump is the first President to do so. It is not a falsehood to say Trump is the first President to make a show of it...and Kim Jung Un clearly enjoys the show and opportunity to use the pictures of Trump in North Korea for propaganda purposes.
It's all fun & games until there is an agreement that is ADHERED to. Historically North Korea has agreed to conditions before & historically has not followed through.
Everyone should be skeptical.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron
September 11, 2009: State Department spokesman P. J. Crowley tells reporters that the United States is “prepared to enter into a bilateral discussion with North Korea” as a precursor to resuming the six-party talks.
October 5, 2009: Xinhua News Agency reports that Kim Jong-Il informed Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that Pyongyang was ready to return to multilateral talks provided bilateral talks with the United States yielded a favorable result.
November 9, 2009: P. J. Crowley, State Department spokesman, tells reporters that Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth will lead a group to Pyongyang for direct talks with the North Korean government.
December 8-10, 2009: Officials for the Obama administration hold their first senior-level meetings with the North Korean government in Pyongyang. U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth leads to delegation to Pyongyang, where he delivers a letter from President Obama to Kim Jong-Il.
April 26, 2011: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter visits Pyongyang, accompanied by three other former heads of state, in a bid to revitalize negotiations.
July 28-29, 2011: U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth and North Korean First Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan meet in New York, as part of efforts to revive multilateral talks on North Korea’s nuclear program. This marked the first high-level meeting between the United States and North Korea in nearly two years, and the United States reportedly reiterated its willingness to restart negotiations if North Korea displayed committed itself to being a constructive partner in the negotiation process.
Trump succeeds, yet again, and you do everything you can to distract from it.
This is a big big big big deal. Be honest for a change and acknowledge that Trump has done a good thing.
It is a big deal that Trump makes a mockery of a very important process -- international diplomacy.
The fact that it is perceived as successful because of the photo opportunities is concerning. It is indicative of the kind of propaganda countries like China, Russia, North Korea use to convince their citizens of something.
The past administrations have worked just as hard - if nor more -- on trying to secure some kind of agreement with North Korea -- that they would stick to.
Past administrations weren't interested in 'ratings' but in actual results.
If and when there is any progress other than the continued fawning over each other by Trump and Kim Jung Un -- I'll be glad to give Trump credit.
For now -- nothing.
oh and for the record-- it is a fantastic day -- because I don't look to President Trump to make my day.....
Because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it wasn't in the works.
That's the thing - -historically administrations don't grandstand -- They don't promote, make a show of all the background back and forth. I've included specific events for the first couple of years....there's more at the site.
Look -- nothing wrong with trying to work with North Korea. But it is an absolute falsehood to suggest Trump is the first President to do so. It is not a falsehood to say Trump is the first President to make a show of it...and Kim Jung Un clearly enjoys the show and opportunity to use the pictures of Trump in North Korea for propaganda purposes.
It's all fun & games until there is an agreement that is ADHERED to. Historically North Korea has agreed to conditions before & historically has not followed through.
Everyone should be skeptical.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron
September 11, 2009: State Department spokesman P. J. Crowley tells reporters that the United States is “prepared to enter into a bilateral discussion with North Korea” as a precursor to resuming the six-party talks.
October 5, 2009: Xinhua News Agency reports that Kim Jong-Il informed Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that Pyongyang was ready to return to multilateral talks provided bilateral talks with the United States yielded a favorable result.
November 9, 2009: P. J. Crowley, State Department spokesman, tells reporters that Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth will lead a group to Pyongyang for direct talks with the North Korean government.
December 8-10, 2009: Officials for the Obama administration hold their first senior-level meetings with the North Korean government in Pyongyang. U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth leads to delegation to Pyongyang, where he delivers a letter from President Obama to Kim Jong-Il.
April 26, 2011: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter visits Pyongyang, accompanied by three other former heads of state, in a bid to revitalize negotiations.
July 28-29, 2011: U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth and North Korean First Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan meet in New York, as part of efforts to revive multilateral talks on North Korea’s nuclear program. This marked the first high-level meeting between the United States and North Korea in nearly two years, and the United States reportedly reiterated its willingness to restart negotiations if North Korea displayed committed itself to being a constructive partner in the negotiation process.
Cool, now prove this is not happening behind the scenes with trump.....or do you really think it's just trump?
Because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it wasn't in the works.
That's the thing - -historically administrations don't grandstand -- They don't promote, make a show of all the background back and forth. I've included specific events for the first couple of years....there's more at the site.
Look -- nothing wrong with trying to work with North Korea. But it is an absolute falsehood to suggest Trump is the first President to do so. It is not a falsehood to say Trump is the first President to make a show of it...and Kim Jung Un clearly enjoys the show and opportunity to use the pictures of Trump in North Korea for propaganda purposes.
It's all fun & games until there is an agreement that is ADHERED to. Historically North Korea has agreed to conditions before & historically has not followed through.
Everyone should be skeptical.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron
September 11, 2009: State Department spokesman P. J. Crowley tells reporters that the United States is “prepared to enter into a bilateral discussion with North Korea” as a precursor to resuming the six-party talks.
October 5, 2009: Xinhua News Agency reports that Kim Jong-Il informed Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao that Pyongyang was ready to return to multilateral talks provided bilateral talks with the United States yielded a favorable result.
November 9, 2009: P. J. Crowley, State Department spokesman, tells reporters that Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth will lead a group to Pyongyang for direct talks with the North Korean government.
December 8-10, 2009: Officials for the Obama administration hold their first senior-level meetings with the North Korean government in Pyongyang. U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth leads to delegation to Pyongyang, where he delivers a letter from President Obama to Kim Jong-Il.
April 26, 2011: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter visits Pyongyang, accompanied by three other former heads of state, in a bid to revitalize negotiations.
July 28-29, 2011: U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Policy Stephen Bosworth and North Korean First Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan meet in New York, as part of efforts to revive multilateral talks on North Korea’s nuclear program. This marked the first high-level meeting between the United States and North Korea in nearly two years, and the United States reportedly reiterated its willingness to restart negotiations if North Korea displayed committed itself to being a constructive partner in the negotiation process.
People who work in the background, don't have to receive national, or in this case, world recognition. That is not Trump's nor Kim's style.
What kind would you call this derangement syndrome?
Quote:
A video depicted Fox News's hosts and guests contradictorily blasting former President Barack Obama for saying he would meet with dictators and enemies of the United States, but effusively praising current President Donald Trump for agreeing to sit down face-to-face with North Korean despot Kim Jong Un.
The video, released Thursday night by the news outlet Now This, showed cuts of some of the network's best-known hosts, like Sean Hannity, Steve Doocy and Geraldo Rivera, pouring scorn on Obama for suggesting he could meet with leaders from Iran and North Korea without preconditions. Many of those same personalities and commentators are then shown characterizing Trump's expected talks with Kim as a "win" for the Republican.
Cool, now prove this is not happening behind the scenes with trump.....or do you really think it's just trump?
That wasn't my point.
I was responding to the claim that Obama didn't do anything. His administration most certainly did. The only thing Obama didn't do is spend tax dollars for photo ops with little to show for it.
If and when a real deal is struck - that's the time for Trump to take his bow....for now -- it's all fun and games.
And, of course Pompeo, Bolton and others are behind the scense trying to pull this off. They are the core of the negotiations. We all know that.
Once again a foreign trip where Trump spends more time drooling over and bending the knee to dictators, killers than he does the allies of the USA.
GO TRUMP!!!!
He takes the attention where he can get it and those guys all know how to play him.
Geez try breathing into a paper bag for a while. Holy smokes the TDS is acute with you.
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