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Old 07-01-2019, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Time.

Change.

The only two constant variables in life.
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Old 07-01-2019, 12:09 AM
 
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Time.

Change.

The only two constant variables in life.
Time is not constant. Time is always changing.

Also, if something is constant, it is not variable.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This. Look at all of the new, extravagant facilities, full of administrators knocking down $200k salaries.

The whole thing is nothing but a disgusting money grab. Pure evil.

They should pass a law capping the salary at $150k for anyone employed at a public university and put a 10 year moratorium on building any new structures.
OK now why would anyone especially business school or engineering professors want to take a job that is capped at $150k and likely is far below that, about $70k tops due to all the rungs above it? I get some are done in the workplace for whatever reason, some part time, etc. but I don't see putting a salary cap as a good thing unless you want to end college. I can agree that admin costs should be reigned in quite a bit. Let's face it, the presidents don't need anything more than $250k and dreams should be about $175k, but that's neither here nor there.

As for the new facilities, and not building any for ten years are you serious? I went to college in 2010-12, you can't tell me that we shouldn't build anything for ten years. Some residence halls and lecture halls are entirely out of date. Now you can say that the schools are putting money for building into new and not fixing the old, but I think the issue with building these new buildings is off.

Many thing the new amenities to these halls in particular residence halls are waste and I can agree that they are too much. However, these are created to help bring students in as a marketing tool, and perceptions on what the students need. They haven't even truly asked the students what they want in a hall.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:15 AM
 
Location: California
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I started to go in the 70's with only a part time job but it was a CC that charged $7 a unit. And I lived with my parents.

I also could have taken a class or two at a 4 yr university while working full time and living in an apartment with a roommate.

So yes, in a way it COULD be done...
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:29 AM
 
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"Expensive" is a relative term.


35 years of wage stagnation has "consequences."


Housing, health costs, food, education, everything has went up except for the wages to pay for them.


Thx
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:39 AM
 
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Democrats have been in control of our education system and not only have the costs skyrocketed for colleges, but we’ve dropped way down in K-12 education quality.
I believe we test internationally down there with Kazakhstan......

Education has become Big Government — the democrats dream.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:49 AM
 
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Hmm, the premise is bull****. I was one of those 1970s minimum wage workers going to a state school and I couldn't cover the cost working full time.

Minimum wage in 1973 was $1.60/hour, tuition and fees was $3700. Do the math.
I went to the community college during that time. $17 credit hour. Took 12 hours max per semester. Took 6 years to earn my Associates Degree. I paid out of my pocket working 40 hours. My parents did not have the money to help either. I did delay going to school for one year after high school because I needed a car. They call it a “gap” year these days. I eventually I earned my BS.....graduated from a private University.....my employer at the time covered 50% of the tuition. Took me another 6 years to complete my degree. It seems so long ago now.....but I got it done! No regrets. Books etc were NOT covered...I paid out of pocket. I commuted..... eventually I moved out of my parents house and shared an apartment with two friends.....I had roommates until I was 29.
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:33 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I went to the community college during that time. $17 credit hour. Took 12 hours max per semester. Took 6 years to earn my Associates Degree. I paid out of my pocket working 40 hours. My parents did not have the money to help either. I did delay going to school for one year after high school because I needed a car. They call it a “gap” year these days. I eventually I earned my BS.....graduated from a private University.....my employer at the time covered 50% of the tuition. Took me another 6 years to complete my degree. It seems so long ago now.....but I got it done! No regrets. Books etc were NOT covered...I paid out of pocket. I commuted..... eventually I moved out of my parents house and shared an apartment with two friends.....I had roommates until I was 29.
If it took you that long to get either degree you had damn few semesters where you had 12 credits.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Dayton OH
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I didn't have parents to depend on for financing college in the early 1970s. Like many others of my age, I lacked a good plan and future career interests at age 18-19. In 1974, I enlisted in the Army for 4 years, and during that time I took some college classes and got technical experience with power systems. After military service, I attended Cal State University for almost no tuition cost. My GI bill checks covered all college fees & books with a little left in my pocket.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:34 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Which school are you looking at? A decent school like Harvard was over $4000.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...tuition-hikes/
Eh what?! If Harvard = only decent then Bugatti = only a bit pricey.

Harvard is several standard deviations above the norm in many ways.

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The linked article provides some data.

https://college-education.procon.org...ourceID=005532

I'd suggest that Harvard is slightly above "decent" and represents an exceptionally small slice of the total university population, even in the 1970's.
Beat me to it

I wonder how many dollars are wasted annually studying things at university that are at best marginal and more likely idiotic. IIRC that prof whose name I forget who got caught encouraging people to beat up on reporters taught a class on 50 shades of gray.
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