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Old 07-03-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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While some wish to focus on the costs of a switch to green energy, the costs of doing nothing are far more dire. Moody's is not run by a bunch of crazed environmentalists seeking world dominium nor is Moody's in the business of publishing wild-eyed diatribes about imaginary financial costs. If anything their estimates are far too low.

The longer we wait, the greater the damage and the higher the cost of trying to fix something that's broken. A carbon tax is pennies by comparison.
Yes, climate change is a very serious problem.

Unfortunately, there is no solution to climate change (other than nuclear power, which most environmentalists oppose).

Germany tried a massive program of solar and wind, but it failed to significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions. They did manage to greatly increase their electricity costs, however.
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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so doing nothing the cost of "global warming" will be $69 trillion, but the cost of the green new deal is set at about $93 trillion. hmm sounds to me like its cheaper to not do anything than to try and stop it, which wont happen anyway.
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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makes "bomb them back to the stone age" a lot more relevant

LOL...... https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.ne...o2-720x513.png
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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So how do we stop Nature's portion of Climate Change which is much greater? Oh wait, how much is Nature's percentage of Climate Change, and how much is Man's percentage? Can anyone answer that as Nature's is ALWAYS CHANGING?
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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Conservatives have no problem with global warming. They just want other people to pay for it.

As with every other issue, as long as they can offload costs to others it's all OK.
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Liberals have no problem with global warming. They just want us to pay for it.

As with every other issue, as long as they can offload costs to us it's all OK.

..and we're not the ones doing it > https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn....rbonemissi.jpg
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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Liberals have no problem with global warming. They just want us to pay for it.

As with every other issue, as long as they can offload costs to us it's all OK.

..and we're not the ones doing it > https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn....rbonemissi.jpg
nope...not here either > https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.ne...o2-720x513.png
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Yes, climate change is a very serious problem.

Unfortunately, there is no solution to climate change (other than nuclear power, which most environmentalists oppose).

Germany tried a massive program of solar and wind, but it failed to significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions. They did manage to greatly increase their electricity costs, however.
German CO2 emissions went from 751 mmt in 2009, to 725.7 mmt in 2018, which is the only year emissions actually dropped below 2009 levels, every other year they were flat or increased.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sions-germany/

German electricity prices on the other hand, are now the second most expensive in the world, at 36 US cents per kWh. https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/G...ricity_prices/

So much for the Energiewende.

This brings up another question, we hear claims that wind and solar are now cheaper than fossil energy, yet places that use more wind and solar also have extremely high power prices. Why?
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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This brings up another question, we hear claims that wind and solar are now cheaper than fossil energy, yet places that use more wind and solar also have extremely high power prices. Why?
Apr 22, 2019
Unreliable Nature Of Solar And Wind Makes Electricity More Expensive, New Study Finds

Solar panels and wind turbines are making electricity significantly more expensive, a major new study by a team of economists from the University of Chicago finds.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#74ef408f4f59
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JUNE 3, 2019
Study Finds Wind and Solar 2 to 3 Times More Expensive Than Existing Generation Resources

https://www.instituteforenergyresear...ion-resources/
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Feb 8, 2019
The average LCOEs from existing coal ($41), cc gas ($36), nuclear ($33), and hydro ($38) resources are less than half the cost of new wind resources ($90) or new PV solar resources ($88.7) with imposed costs included.

https://canadafreepress.com/images/u...IER060419A.jpg
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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This brings up another question, we hear claims that wind and solar are now cheaper than fossil energy, yet places that use more wind and solar also have extremely high power prices. Why?
Government subsidies at the beginning... phased out as time passes.

In more common terms - bait and switch.

Meanwhile - the green industry sector will be rolling in the green.
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