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At the DSA’s July 2017 national convention, held in Chicago, delegates voted to make “Medicare for All”—DSA’s latest euphemism for government-controlled health care—“a national priority.” While building grassroots support has been a big part of the DSA’s strategy, the comrades know that this means little without congressional voting power. Consequently, the DSA has put huge resources into lobbying, cajoling, and even bullying Congress members into supporting “single-payer” or socialized health care bills.
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Together with allies such as the Communist Party USA, Our Revolution, and sympathetic unions, the DSA is able to pressure almost any Congress member it needs to influence. Many leftist Congress members are already on board with the DSA’s Marxist agenda and don’t need much prompting. Others who may be looking at a tight reelection race need a lot more pressure—which the DSA is more than willing and able to apply.
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If the United States ever falls to the tyranny of government-controlled health care, it will not be because of the popular will. It will be because a few thousand committed and well-organized “communists” made it happen.
People need to stay connected with their Congressmen and let them know that this is not what they want.
This is what I don't get...
People can't afford their own health care now. So we want to put a system in place where we have to pay for health care for everyone AND bloated government overhead... how's that going to work?
The answer to health care is not to keep tacking on more and more layers of bureaucracy... we need to be removing layers and lowering the cost structure and have direct patient-doctor services. Get rid of the employer. Get rid of the government. Get rid of the insurance - unless you just want it.
At the DSA’s July 2017 national convention, held in Chicago, delegates voted to make “Medicare for All”—DSA’s latest euphemism for government-controlled health care—“a national priority.” While building grassroots support has been a big part of the DSA’s strategy, the comrades know that this means little without congressional voting power. Consequently, the DSA has put huge resources into lobbying, cajoling, and even bullying Congress members into supporting “single-payer” or socialized health care bills.
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Together with allies such as the Communist Party USA, Our Revolution, and sympathetic unions, the DSA is able to pressure almost any Congress member it needs to influence. Many leftist Congress members are already on board with the DSA’s Marxist agenda and don’t need much prompting. Others who may be looking at a tight reelection race need a lot more pressure—which the DSA is more than willing and able to apply.
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If the United States ever falls to the tyranny of government-controlled health care, it will not be because of the popular will. It will be because a few thousand committed and well-organized “communists” made it happen.
People need to stay connected with their Congressmen and let them know that this is not what they want.
This is what I don't get...
People can't afford their own health care now. So we want to put a system in place where we have to pay for health care for everyone AND bloated government overhead... how's that going to work?
The answer to health care is not to keep tacking on more and more layers of bureaucracy... we need to be removing layers and lowering the cost structure and have direct patient-doctor services. Get rid of the employer. Get rid of the government. Get rid of the insurance - unless you just want it.
You need to live off the grid if you want to ***** about the big bad scary boogie man Socialism AND the USA is so pathetic that it cannot accomplish what other industrialized nations have managed to do with their healthcare systems. What kind of *******kind of third world country is this? Yeah for corporate profit healthcare is the way to go so that an average person can go bankrupt because they are stupid enough to get sick.
OP, you lost me with the "comrade" and Communist Party USA, lol. I don't know where you get this stuff, nor do I care...
But the country can't go back to the good old days when the dr came to the house with his little black bag and you paid him $5.00. Medicine is much MUCH more complicated now. Tests, prescriptions, much more knowledge and expertise, specialists, etc.
I know you'll probably have a meltdown if I mention "Obamacare" but it was a start. You can't bear to admit it but it was a start. Millions of people got health insurance. It needs to be fixed and we know that. That doesn't mean we're communists or socialists or comrades --and our health insurance doesn't need to be like the VA or any other example you may think of that oftentimes doesn't work too well.
Personally, I don't like them using the word "Medicare" because I am on Medicare and paid into it all my life. But the idea of it is great. Medicare works fine. Believe it or not it's run by the government and includes private health insurance companies if you want extra coverage, which most people do. We need something that is priced fairly to everyone.
Just because the OP and some others may have Cadillac health plans, doesn't mean they should sit back and deny health insurance to everyone else!
You need to live off the grid if you want to ***** about the big bad scary boogie man Socialism AND the USA is so pathetic that it cannot accomplish what other industrialized nations have managed to do with their healthcare systems. What kind of *******kind of third world country is this? Yeah for corporate profit healthcare is the way to go so that an average person can go bankrupt because they are stupid enough to get sick.
If you look at what I suggested... I took out all of the corporate insurance interests, and the government profit interests.
There is nothing wrong with reasonably profiting for performing good services. Guess what - the world operates best on a give and take system. I get care... they get money. It's worked since Plymouth Rock. Caring for others AND profit motivates people to find cures for cancer... for HIV... for ebola. If there is no profit, what's the long term incentive to strive and work for cures?
OP, you lost me with the "comrade" and Communist Party USA, lol. I don't know where you get this stuff, nor do I care...
But the country can't go back to the good old days when the dr came to the house with his little black bag and you paid him $5.00. Medicine is much MUCH more complicated now. Tests, prescriptions, much more knowledge and expertise, specialists, etc.
I know you'll probably have a meltdown if I mention "Obamacare" but it was a start. You can't bear to admit it but it was a start. Millions of people got health insurance. It needs to be fixed and we know that. That doesn't mean we're communists or socialists or comrades --and our health insurance doesn't need to be like the VA or any other example you may think of that oftentimes doesn't work too well.
Personally, I don't like them using the word "Medicare" because I am on Medicare and paid into it all my life. But the idea of it is great. Medicare works fine. Believe it or not it's run by the government and includes private health insurance companies if you want extra coverage, which most people do. We need something that is priced fairly to everyone.
Just because the OP and some others may have Cadillac health plans, doesn't mean they should sit back and deny health insurance to everyone else!
Don't assume the type of health plan that I have - because you don't know, and it doesn't matter to this discussion.
The government should not be running any business - just in principle. They blew up the mortgage industry once already. They are in the process of blowing up student loans for college. They will blow up health care if they get total control.
And why can't there be direct doctor-patient payment arrangements? There are places that do it and the costs are much lower because the government is totally out of the loop.
If you look at what I suggested... I took out all of the corporate insurance interests, and the government profit interests.
There is nothing wrong with reasonably profiting for performing good services. Guess what - the world operates best on a give and take system. I get care... they get money. It's worked since Plymouth Rock. Caring for others AND profit motivates people to find cures for cancer... for HIV... for ebola. If there is no profit, what's the long term incentive to strive and work for cures?
Third world country... see California.
Socialism doesn't work long term.
And we're not even talking about socialism. What most people want are improvements in social programs, not socialism. Of course profit motivates people. But if everything is for profit, that model doesn't work either--it produces people who just do it out of greed for money and not to help other people. We don't want California either.
If we just let the insurance companies and the doctors charge whatever they could, human nature being what it is, they would charge the sky. That's kind of how it's been. So only the rich or those with great health insurance on their jobs can get medical help. That is unamerican. We need to get everyone covered-including those who just lost their jobs, those out of college looking for jobs, people who are not healthy enough to work but haven't received disability yet, people who are mentally incapable of holding a job, people who work at two part time jobs--and more who fall between the cracks. In countries where the people don't have to constantly worry about losing their health insurance, the people are happier and less stressed out.
At the DSA’s July 2017 national convention, held in Chicago, delegates voted to make “Medicare for All”—DSA’s latest euphemism for government-controlled health care—“a national priority.” While building grassroots support has been a big part of the DSA’s strategy, the comrades know that this means little without congressional voting power. Consequently, the DSA has put huge resources into lobbying, cajoling, and even bullying Congress members into supporting “single-payer” or socialized health care bills.
...
Together with allies such as the Communist Party USA, Our Revolution, and sympathetic unions, the DSA is able to pressure almost any Congress member it needs to influence. Many leftist Congress members are already on board with the DSA’s Marxist agenda and don’t need much prompting. Others who may be looking at a tight reelection race need a lot more pressure—which the DSA is more than willing and able to apply.
...
If the United States ever falls to the tyranny of government-controlled health care, it will not be because of the popular will. It will be because a few thousand committed and well-organized “communists” made it happen.
People need to stay connected with their Congressmen and let them know that this is not what they want.
This is what I don't get...
People can't afford their own health care now. So we want to put a system in place where we have to pay for health care for everyone AND bloated government overhead... how's that going to work?
The answer to health care is not to keep tacking on more and more layers of bureaucracy... we need to be removing layers and lowering the cost structure and have direct patient-doctor services. Get rid of the employer. Get rid of the government. Get rid of the insurance - unless you just want it.
Their plan is to never stop expanding government via socialist entitlements so they can eventually socialise our economy.
And we're not even talking about socialism. What most people want are improvements in social programs, not socialism. Of course profit motivates people. But if everything is for profit, that model doesn't work either--it produces people who just do it out of greed for money and not to help other people. We don't want California either.
If we just let the insurance companies and the doctors charge whatever they could, human nature being what it is, they would charge the sky. That's kind of how it's been. So only the rich or those with great health insurance on their jobs can get medical help. That is unamerican. We need to get everyone covered-including those who just lost their jobs, those out of college looking for jobs, people who are not healthy enough to work but haven't received disability yet, people who are mentally incapable of holding a job, people who work at two part time jobs--and more who fall between the cracks. In countries where the people don't have to constantly worry about losing their health insurance, the people are happier and less stressed out.
We need that peace of mind here in this country.
Regarding the underlined... And those that charged high prices would be driven out of business, because others would come in and provide services at more reasonable costs. That's how it works. And I am saying to remove the insurance companies from the equation as well.
Most health care professionals go into that line of work because they want to help others. But they also want to be paid for what they do - and there is nothing wrong with that. What should happen is there will be a balancing act about how much doctors charge versus how much patients are willing to pay, and somewhere in the middle, there should be a price structure that works. Some doctors may charge more a cater to the more wealthy people. Others would be more community minded and charge less. Whatever the case - doctors would be free to run things as they see fit, and patients would have the freedom to use whomever they please.
What won't work is adding a huge layer of overhead and bureaucracy to a system that we already can't afford.
I'm assuming you are going to refuse Medicare when you get of age?
It doesn't matter.
This is about providing a sustainable system that works long term. Giving free health insurance and forcing other people to pay for it is not compassion, and it won't work.
I would love for anyone to explain how this benefits the country from a balance sheet point of view. Or does that even matter... ?
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