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How many people don't make enough money to pay the bills because there are no jobs available? There are jobs if people want them.
How many people are spending their earnings, SSI check on drugs, alcohol?
Sure, they can post results saying that 40% can't pay their bills, but will they specify why not?
Then you have the lazy who won't get a job and can't pay their bills.
It will always be this way.
No one can make an employer employ you. If you have health problems employers can discriminate against you and there's not really anything you can do about it. They can just come up with some other reason they didn't hire you. You can fill out applications every day, but that doesn't mean you will be hired. I have filled out applications since I was 16 and I am now 43 and no employer has wanted me yet. I have been hired short term years ago and fired within days or weeks because they wouldn't accommodate my health problems. It is completely outside of my control. There are no jobs for me no matter how much I have wanted one, so that statement is not factual for me.
No one can make an employer employ you. If you have health problems employers can discriminate against you and there's not really anything you can do about it. They can just come up with some other reason they didn't hire you. You can fill out applications every day, but that doesn't mean you will be hired. I have filled out applications since I was 16 and I am now 43 and no employer has wanted me yet. I have been hired short term years ago and fired within days or weeks because they wouldn't accommodate my health problems. It is completely outside of my control. There are no jobs for me no matter how much I have wanted one, so that statement is not factual for me.
Hmmmm... My mid-50s years old developmentally disabled step-sister has a job. She also has numerous health issues. She's never had a problem with employers. Perhaps you should seek employment with a company that has a specific program geared to hiring disabled employees.
No, the person with $1,200 in tattoos who doesn't have $400 for an emergency is a great example of someone living beyond their means.
Contrary to your false beliefs, no one is entitled to cell-phones or cable or internet. No one is entitled to fancy name brand clothing or shoes, either.
And no one is entitled to just make up whatever narrative they choose regardless the truth...
Well okay. Better put, everyone is entitled to shovel whatever they like in whatever way they like, but all this simple say so is just too mind numbing for me.
Anyone can describe a person in poverty as someone who drives a caddy, smoking a big cigar and wearing bling bling around their neck, just as I can similarly describe a redneck in whatever way I like, but really?
How long can intelligent people exchange nothing but slanted characterizations like these simply to suit their agenda? Beyond me, and apparently beyond any limit! Take this silly nonsense about tattoos for example, as if somehow relevant or material given the subject of poverty...
I've known countless people with tattoos. Working people. Many with friends who do the tattoos for them, free of charge! Maybe they later find themselves dealing with poverty after losing their job. What does their tattoo have to do with anything? I can think of countless ways someone could end up with tattoos and also poor, without having spent any money on a tattoo while poor. Worse still, how many poor people have "$1,200 in tattoos?"
Do you even know what the average cost of a tattoo is?
Lots of lip service given to personal responsibility in this thread. If only there was some sense of responsibility devoted to sound reason, and the truth. Maybe then the adults could have a mature intelligent conversation about a problem that simply can't be swept under the dumb rug of right-winging ignorance.
From the true official source - fed:
"the average American family has yet to recover fully from the 2008 financial crisis, the Federal Reserve found"
"Boshara, of the St. Louis Fed, pointed out that credit card and auto loan delinquencies have risen this year, the opposite of what Wall Street expected in good economic times."
"In discussions with 30 Americans unable to pay all of their bills, a clear pattern emerged: Most were able to eke by until they faced an unexpected crisis such as a job loss, cancer, car trouble or storm damage.
Economists fear such precarious financial situations put many Americans at risk if there is even a mild setback in the economy, potentially setting up the next recession to be worse than anything in recent history except the Great Recession."
“We are headed toward a political crisis, if not an economic one.”
Hey, I'm doing fine.....but that was never the question here. The concern was always the "forgotten Americans" of whom it was claimed they will WIN so much they will get tired of winning. They are getting tired all right....
"As a nurse’s aide, she makes above Ohio’s $8.55-an-hour minimum wage but not much over $10" - that's in Ohio, the place where MAGA was supposed to be centered. $10 an hour......and she is getting VERY tired.
"“I’m 25, but I feel like I am in my late 30s,”"
Meanwhile, 2 Billion dollar bombers are putting on a display in DC.
Indeed.
People earning the median income where I live can't afford the rent. A 288 square foot studio is going for $1,000 +, and that's in the boonies. A lot of people are living multiple families in one apartment. Buying decent food (nothing fancy - fresh veg., some kind of starch, chicken and hamburger meat) often goes of over 75 bucks a week for a single person - a little less if you shop at Aldi's. God help those with a family. Between trying to get to work, insurance rates (both auto and health), medical care and the rest, yes, people are struggling.
And when you're working your arse off and struggling to keep a roof over your head and food on the table; not to mention trying to make ends wave at each other, much less meet, because you haven't had a raise in 7 years, it's kinda hard to maintain a savings account. You stick with the job you have because quitting isn't an option and the paycheck needs to continue to come in. You drive a 13 year old P.O.S. car because you can't afford a new one, and it's kept together by prayer and duck tape. Why? Because auto insurance costs are high, and you can only afford the minimum coverage.
So you vote for the guy who says he'll fix everything, hoping that this time things will get better for the guy on the front lines. And then it doesn't, and the top 1% get t another tax cut, and you get what's left over again - which ain't much. Then Congress and the Senate says, well, we need to pay of the big business tax giveaway so we need to make some cuts to social programs, so there goes the frigging safety net. And the sad thing is, we keep falling for the crap. We never learn.
The average working Joe or Jane has had to pull him/herself up by the bootstraps for so long, the boots have worn out. But the stock market is booming, so the "economy" must be great. The unemployment rate has dropped a whole 1% since the last guy was in the White House, except these jobs are paying bupkis.
This, my friends and foes, is the reality. But let's not concentrate on the reality of things, let's build us a wall.
So, folks, spare me the judgmental claptrap.
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No, the person with $1,200 in tattoos who doesn't have $400 for an emergency is a great example of someone living beyond their means.
Contrary to your false beliefs, no one is entitled to cell-phones or cable or internet. No one is entitled to fancy name brand clothing or shoes, either.
How about water? Clean air? Are we entitled to that?
This cell phone thing is a canard. What you fail to mention is that people 100 years ago, even in dire poverty, had access to a phone. You also fail to mention the the cost of a cell phone and service is FAR below the cost of basic telephone service 50 years ago.
Also, since "capitalism" did away with most trollies and public transit, a person certainly can't get to many places these days without great expense. A "cell phone" would seem to benefit all involved by saving money, gas and time when said person can look for work or make other arrangements (doctors, family, etc.) from home...
Yet you act as if it's a "luxury" they could give up and then...somehow, maybe by walking, they'd "save money" and become wealthy.
People earning the median income where I live can't afford the rent. A 288 square foot studio is going for $1,000 +, and that's in the boonies. A lot of people are living multiple families in one apartment. Buying decent food (nothing fancy - fresh veg., some kind of starch, chicken and hamburger meat) often goes of over 75 bucks a week for a single person - a little less if you shop at Aldi's. God help those with a family. Between trying to get to work, insurance rates (both auto and health), medical care and the rest, yes, people are struggling.
And when you're working your arse off and struggling to keep a roof over your head and food on the table; not to mention trying to make ends wave at each other, much less meet, because you haven't had a raise in 7 years, it's kinda hard to maintain a savings account. You stick with the job you have because quitting isn't an option and the paycheck needs to continue to come in. You drive a 13 year old P.O.S. car because you can't afford a new one, and it's kept together by prayer and duck tape. Why? Because auto insurance costs are high, and you can only afford the minimum coverage.
So you vote for the guy who says he'll fix everything, hoping that this time things will get better for the guy on the front lines. And then it doesn't, and the top 1% get t another tax cut, and you get what's left over again - which ain't much. Then Congress and the Senate says, well, we need to pay of the big business tax giveaway so we need to make some cuts to social programs, so there goes the frigging safety net. And the sad thing is, we keep falling for the crap. We never learn.
The average working Joe or Jane has had to pull him/herself up by the bootstraps for so long, the boots have worn out. But the stock market is booming, so the "economy" must be great. The unemployment rate has dropped a whole 1% since the last guy was in the White House, except these jobs are paying bupkis.
This, my friends and foes, is the reality. But let's not concentrate on the reality of things, let's build us a wall.
So, folks, spare me the judgmental claptrap.
Not sure we should consider what all you have to say until we know whether you have a tattoo, and what you paid for it, but I for one think what you explain is worthy of consideration either way. Mosdef!
How about water? Clean air? Are we entitled to that?
This cell phone thing is a canard. What you fail to mention is that people 100 years ago, even in dire poverty, had access to a phone. You also fail to mention the the cost of a cell phone and service is FAR below the cost of basic telephone service 50 years ago.
Also, since "capitalism" did away with most trollies and public transit, a person certainly can't get to many places these days without great expense. A "cell phone" would seem to benefit all involved by saving money, gas and time when said person can look for work or make other arrangements (doctors, family, etc.) from home...
Yet you act as if it's a "luxury" they could give up and then...somehow, maybe by walking, they'd "save money" and become wealthy.
Might also mention the modern "smart phone" is more than just a phone and that for many this fairly new device provides a way to stay better connected in all variety of important ways, including with employers. Family too, kids. Offers a means for better safety as well, whether stranded on the side of the road or walking home alone from the bus stop.
Even people I know who are not dealing with poverty (but close) always seem pretty good at getting a phone and service at the least possible expense. My wife and I ended our land line phone quite awhile ago, also to keep phone expenses down. Still, it's not easy to contend with the ever rising costs of phone service (and internet) that can actually cause a person struggling with poverty to think they can go without a phone (and internet). Nobody really can anymore however...
Right. But let's make out like people struggling with these problems are nothing but losers with tattoos who CHOOSE to struggle day-by-day just to get by. Let's make sure to add insult to injury so we can keep our heads nice and comfortable way up there where the Sun doesn't shine.
Might also mention the modern "smart phone" is more than just a phone and that for many this fairly new device provides a way to stay better connected in all variety of important ways, including with employers. Family too, kids. Offers a means for better safety as well, whether stranded on the side of the road or walking home alone from the bus stop.
Even people I know who are not dealing with poverty (but close) always seem pretty good at getting a phone and service at the least possible expense. My wife and I ended our land line phone quite awhile ago, also to keep phone expenses down. Still, it's not easy to contend with the ever rising costs of phone service (and internet) that can actually cause a person struggling with poverty to think they can go without a phone (and internet). Nobody really can anymore however...
Right. But let's make out like people struggling with these problems are nothing but losers with tattoos who CHOOSE to struggle day-by-day just to get by. Let's make sure to add insult to injury so we can keep our heads nice and comfortable way up there where the Sun doesn't shine.
Cricket starts at $35. per month for 5 Gigs of data. Hardly a "luxury" as some call it. Most of the time, if you sign up for new service, you get a free phone. It's not the latest model, but who cares, if it works.
Some of these replies are from the "Big Book of Conservative Cliches".
Why not go to Wmart? Employees there get $11.50. However they are limited to 28 hours per week allowing Wmart to evade paying any benefits. Not to worry, because these employees don't earn enough they are entitled to Medicaid which is paid by the taxpayer. What a wonderful time to be paying taxes under Trump. Wmart earns billions and you the taxpayer pays their employees medical cost. Great deal for Wmart!
If that doesn't work that you can always contract your labor. Many companies only hire a limited number of employees and contract the rest of their labor needs. However, as a contracted employee will need to provide all your own benefits.
The majority of Americans are born into debt and in debt they will die. The average American working class person will pay a huge $250,000 in interest over their lifetime. 2019 and the average American couldn't lay their hands of $400. Americans now over one trillion dollars in credit card debt with costs going up, up, and away everyday.
Not to worry. The rich have provided for the poor by spreading loan sharks like Title Loan, Payday Loan, etc throughout the country. The interest rate is somewhere around 30% if you pay the debt in time, but that means by the end of the month. If you can't pay it all back they will gladly extend your loan for a year with a total interest of somewhere around 1000%. Don't pay and they take your car.
The truly laughable part is that the wealthy elitists convinced you that unions were no good and you bought it. They told you American would keep their manufacturing jobs if only you got rid of the unions. You listened and they lied. Most good American manufacturing jobs are now overseas.
However there are more service jobs that pay a pittance of what those union jobs did and they also took your benefits especially medical coverage.
Millennials are living with their parents who are paying their bills. The real estate cycle is broken with fewer and fewer first time buyers. The people are in debt up to their ears and so is the government. Collapse is just around the corner.
The elitists will once again come out and lie to America, but this time I hope American working folks will be able to see the truth.
At 25, if she's only making $8.85 an hour she has done something wrong. She's either failed to get a little better education at the Community College, done drugs or getting a late start in her working career.
There are many sides to stories.
The below has always been true. Even in the 50's, 70's and 90's. Many Americans would always hurt due to these factors.
... or her only "talent" is breeding.
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