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I do not fear the leftists using violence or their threats of violence. I look forward to the day all of this divisiveness comes to a head in our nation and we settle this once and for all. I am very confident the leftists will be crushed. Political correctness, socialism and the SJW movement are ideological enemies of freedom and America. We should have zero tolerance for these ideologies. Maybe when the dust settles on the second civil war the left is trying to start the ole stars and bars will fly again for real as a flag of victory.
I will not surrender my freedoms no matter who demands that I do. I also have zero care or concern for those offended by confederate flags, statues or our history. I hold a zero tolerance view of PC and that is why I advocate for provoking the politically correct wherever they are found. I truly hate leftism with every fiber of my being. I do however love America, our founding fathers and our constitution. I love being a free American and I believe freedom is worth fighting for. I can’t believe we don’t all feel this way and it is shocking that some so called Americans would have our nation turn into something like Orwell’s 1984.
I'm not saying your should fear them. I'm saying that those who would use violence don't fear you or anyone who flies the Confederate flag. The divisiveness in this country has resulted in violence over and over throughout the last 150+ years. It should have been settled once and for all back in 1865. There should have been a tribunal. We should have had something similar to what the Nuremburg trials were after WWII. Confederate generals should have been brought to trial, tried for treason and war crimes, and punished accordingly. There should have been a period of prolonged occupation. The flying of the Confederate flags, the veneration of Confederation generals, that is the result of pro-Confederates and sympathizers being
coddled. If pro-Confederate sympathizers wanted more violence, then the U.S. Army would be there to quell further rebellions.
Because of the failure to treat Confederate generals and their sympathizers as enemies of the USA, further division and violence took place deep into the 20th century. The Confederate memorials became more numerous as the Jim Crow laws became firmly in place. It was the southern way of saying "we hate the north and Blacks better know their place, or else". The Confederate flags came out in full force when Blacks started demanding civil rights. People who were anti-civil rights/anti-integration flew the Confederate flag as a way of saying "segregation today, tomorrow, and forver".
As for the left, I don't identify with the left or the right. However, when it comes to the Confederate flag, I'm on the left wing's side when it comes to it. I hate the Confederate flag and I never want it flown in public ever again. I think all Confederate statues should be torn down. Confederates should be regarded in the same way the Nazis are regarded. Fighting for the southern way of life? Yes, if you think that way of life includes slavery and white supremacy. I'm with the leftists on the issue of the Confederate flag. You hate the left? Not my problem.
As for being a free American, I'm a Black man. My people were never truly free in America. We had to wait over 200 years before ALL OF US were no longer slaves. And another 90+ years before ALL OF US had the same rights. Don't bring that "free American" stuff to me.
I am wondering where you live. I lived in Montgomery, AL for eight months (of hell) in 1973, and it was like the whites were still fighting the Civil War. (It seemed that everywhere I went, it was the Rebel this or the Blue and Gray that, and people wore their racism proudly.*) However, I thought things had improved since then. Maybe not?
*Of course, that impression might be wrong, but it was definitely the impression I received based on MY personal experiences as a transplanted Yankee! I was shocked when the local kids got Jefferson Davis's birthday off from school, and Abraham Lincoln's was completely ignored.
P.S. However, in keeping with the above, you might be heartened to read this:
I'm in northern Alabama now. The Confederate presence is not as pronouced as in Montgomery. However, it can be found. I just work and go home.I saw a Confederate statue in front of the Madison County Courthouse, which was a shock for me. But then again, there are several things in northern Alabama named for John J. Sparkman, one of the southern politicians who signed the Southern Manifesto.
I did live in Georgia for a while. Go into Atlanta proper or some of the inner ring counties, hardly any Confederate presence. Go out into the outer lying counties (Paulding, Bartow, Carroll), you'll find more people with Confederate flag t-shirts, more people flying Confederate flags. It's more tame relative to Montgomery, now that you describe it. However, it's still there. I've never heard of anyone celebrating Jeffeson Davis's birthday or Robert E. Lee's birthday, at least not in Georgia. However, there are counties in Georgia named for Confederate generals, notably in southern Georgia. I think there is a pattern here. Mongtomery is in southern/central Alabama, close to the heart of the old slavery belt. I wonder if that's why the Confederate presence in Montgomery is far more pronounced there than in northern Alabama. There are a few places that honor Confederates here. I don't like it, but at the same time, what you describe makes where I live seem tame.
I say renaming that highway in Arlington is the right thing to do. And it's being named for something in the state of Virginia. This is a way to represent southern heritage, and represent it with something everyone in Virginia can relate to.
Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution by denying states their right to secede from the union. He raised up an army to deny Southern states their freedom and his war killed 600k. He also suspended habeus corpus. He essentially became a northern dictator. I do not think this man is worth celebrating but that is my opinion. The war was about preserving southern rights and states rights. The constitution was on the side of the confederate government. I support our constitution even if half the nation wishes to abandon it.
Agreed. I hate it that a man who defied the Consitution he was sworn to uphold (and started a war over) is a "hero". If Robert E. Lee was a traitor, so was George Washington. I have a degree in history and have studied Southern history and the Civil War & Reconstruction extensively. People who want/need to be educated should read a few college level text books.
I have never heard of this band but it seems that they have been a group since 1987 and the other day the Illinois state fair cancelled their show because the name of the band might offend some people. The reason given was it "appears to reflect racial sensitivity concerns.” UGH PC madness running amok.
The name of the band is Confederate Railroad. I know, shocking isn't it?
Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution by denying states their right to secede from the union. He raised up an army to deny Southern states their freedom and his war killed 600k. He also suspended habeus corpus. He essentially became a northern dictator. I do not think this man is worth celebrating but that is my opinion. The war was about preserving southern rights and states rights. The constitution was on the side of the confederate government. I support our constitution even if half the nation wishes to abandon it.
I'm not saying your should fear them. I'm saying that those who would use violence don't fear you or anyone who flies the Confederate flag. The divisiveness in this country has resulted in violence over and over throughout the last 150+ years. It should have been settled once and for all back in 1865. There should have been a tribunal. We should have had something similar to what the Nuremburg trials were after WWII. Confederate generals should have been brought to trial, tried for treason and war crimes, and punished accordingly. There should have been a period of prolonged occupation. The flying of the Confederate flags, the veneration of Confederation generals, that is the result of pro-Confederates and sympathizers being
coddled. If pro-Confederate sympathizers wanted more violence, then the U.S. Army would be there to quell further rebellions.
Because of the failure to treat Confederate generals and their sympathizers as enemies of the USA, further division and violence took place deep into the 20th century. The Confederate memorials became more numerous as the Jim Crow laws became firmly in place. It was the southern way of saying "we hate the north and Blacks better know their place, or else". The Confederate flags came out in full force when Blacks started demanding civil rights. People who were anti-civil rights/anti-integration flew the Confederate flag as a way of saying "segregation today, tomorrow, and forver".
As for the left, I don't identify with the left or the right. However, when it comes to the Confederate flag, I'm on the left wing's side when it comes to it. I hate the Confederate flag and I never want it flown in public ever again. I think all Confederate statues should be torn down. Confederates should be regarded in the same way the Nazis are regarded. Fighting for the southern way of life? Yes, if you think that way of life includes slavery and white supremacy. I'm with the leftists on the issue of the Confederate flag. You hate the left? Not my problem.
As for being a free American, I'm a Black man. My people were never truly free in America. We had to wait over 200 years before ALL OF US were no longer slaves. And another 90+ years before ALL OF US had the same rights. Don't bring that "free American" stuff to me.
Bingo.
Robert E. Lee and the rest of them were traitors. Taking up arms against the U.S. government is the very definition of treason.
In a misguided attempt to heal the nation, they were allowed to return home without any real consequences for their treason. We have seen the results.
Before long, we will be treated to posts comparing Confederate traitors to Revolutionary War folks. Why should they be regarded as heroes and Confederates despised as traitors?
Well, had the Revolutionary War folks lost, they would have been hung as traitors. IIRC, Benjamin Franklin said as much while signing the Declaration of Independence.
By pretending the Civil War was all a silly misunderstanding, we have allowed traitors to continue to undermine our nation to this very day.
Abraham Lincoln violated the constitution by denying states their right to secede from the union. He raised up an army to deny Southern states their freedom and his war killed 600k. He also suspended habeus corpus. He essentially became a northern dictator. I do not think this man is worth celebrating but that is my opinion. The war was about preserving southern rights and states rights. The constitution was on the side of the confederate government. I support our constitution even if half the nation wishes to abandon it.
Baloney.
Confederates attacked U.S. forces. Google "Ft. Sumter" if you doubt this.
Confederates were also clear that slavery was the reason. There have been numerous posts listing all the the documents and speeches that were clear about this.
Also, not sure which Constitution you are referring to, but the U.S. Constitution was not and is not on the side of such traitors.
Check out Article III, Section 3.
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
Well can people be triggered by groups like the Grateful Dead, as many people do not like hippies.
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Jerry Garcia died in 1995.
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