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Old 07-11-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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Most are non-violent actually.


Back in my days of using heroin, I knew roughly 10-12 dealers, NONE of them were violent, they just wanted to sell dope, and usually doing it only to feed their own addiction, so most low level dealers are not 'getting rich' like many people assume, thats more the mid and top level guys, that do not use the drugs, they are the ones who are most likely to use violence, but these guys RARELY get caught, they are too well insulated, its the guys directly above them and those below them, that get arrested most of the time.


Drug dealing is nothing like how its depicted in tv shows and movies, its much more boring and mundane.
You're correct that most dealers make little money, but the misconceptions about "mass incarceration" and "the failed war on drugs are legion." Most of our inmates are in state prisons and drug offenders make up less than 20% of our state prison population. That 20% is not composed of low-level users and dealers, which is who you're describing. They have long rap sheets and many/most are affiliated with gangs. When you lock up the drug offenders who typically end up in our prisons, you take a lot of violent people off the streets.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Most drug offenses are for possession, most of these people are not criminals in their day to day lives. Of those addicts may be violent but only because they can't get their fix. e.g. knocking Grandma over for her purse. Hardcore criminals that are violent to the core make up small amount of drug arrests.
You are incorrect about this. In state prisons, 13% of inmates are there for drug trafficking and 8% for possession. At the federal level, virtually all federal inmates in for a drug offense are there for drug trafficking. Again, most of the things people who rail against "mass incarceration" and "the failed war on drugs" believe are false.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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You are incorrect about this. In state prisons, 13% of inmates are there for drug trafficking and 8% for possession. At the federal level, virtually all federal inmates in for a drug offense are there for drug trafficking.

My misunderstanding, I was commenting on people arrested.

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Again, most of the things people who rail against "mass incarceration" and "the failed war on drugs" believe are false.

This is clearly a war that has been lost, as long as boat loads of cash (literally) can be made there will always be someone willing to meet that demand. Is there any less drugs on the street than there were 50 years ago?
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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My misunderstanding, I was commenting on people arrested.




This is clearly a war that has been lost, as long as boat loads of cash (literally) can be made there will always be someone willing to meet that demand. Is there any less drugs on the street than there were 50 years ago?
There is MUCH more drugs coming in today, than at any other time in history!


The war on drugs focuses mainly on the drugs once they reach their destination inside the US, they do not target the drugs coming in so much (as they rely on a consistent flow for job security).
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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I've never heard of an innocent bystander getting clubbed or stabbed in a drive by.
Wasn't an innocent senior citizen recently clubbed in Portland, Oregon?
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You're correct that most dealers make little money, but the misconceptions about "mass incarceration" and "the failed war on drugs are legion." Most of our inmates are in state prisons and drug offenders make up less than 20% of our state prison population. That 20% is not composed of low-level users and dealers, which is who you're describing. They have long rap sheets and many/most are affiliated with gangs. When you lock up the drug offenders who typically end up in our prisons, you take a lot of violent people off the streets.
Sooooo the State should be in its own prisons? Is this an admission?

I mean...in all my years growing up in the ghetto I saw a ton of AK-47s and cocaine yet no landing strips with planes from Moscow and Bogota to bring them in were to be found.

The OGs could teleport?
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You are incorrect about this. In state prisons, 13% of inmates are there for drug trafficking and 8% for possession. At the federal level, virtually all federal inmates in for a drug offense are there for drug trafficking. Again, most of the things people who rail against "mass incarceration" and "the failed war on drugs" believe are false.
1. Where are these numbers from? Just interested even if they are from one of your indoctrination centers.

2. So 8% and 13% are just the price to live in a "civilized society" or are you pleased with their incarceration?
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:01 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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I care because anti-gun idiots want to take away my rights when they don't even know what they're talking about. In an overall sense you have a point, but this report should be a direct counter to what a lot of legislators and activists talk about: "closing the gun show loophole".
It doesn't matter how much you show them truth, or try to educate them they will still revert to parroting the anti-gun message and when faced with not being able to answer a solid question they will revert to name calling like " you gun nuts fondling your guns while kids die".

A thousand threads on here and it never changes their mind. Very often they will even say " I don't know much about guns BUT" and then continue to support gun bans and restrictions.

Best thing to do introduce people to shooting sports take them to the range and then when it comes to voting they will know what the truth is and vote against democrats.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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(And, if we could, they would be in jail for using knives, bats, clubs, rocks or whatever else they could get their hands on to maim, or kill, someone else)
I don't dispute that criminal minds will act on their criminal instincts at some point. But knives, bats, clubs, etc. require coming into close proximity with targets and most criminals are cowards who would not follow through or even better would get their weapon taken away and used on them. You don't need any fighting skills or physical prowess to use a gun effectively to murder. The others require them and the will to get close enough to someone who very well might end you. A gun is almost a guarantee you will be successful even if you are a pathetic wimp. Anyone can point and pull a trigger.
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Old 07-11-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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I don't dispute that criminal minds will act on their criminal instincts at some point. But knives, bats, clubs, etc. require coming into close proximity with targets and most criminals are cowards who would not follow through or even better would get their weapon taken away and used on them. You don't need any fighting skills or physical prowess to use a gun effectively to murder. The others require them and the will to get close enough to someone who very well might end you. A gun is almost a guarantee you will be successful even if you are a pathetic wimp. Anyone can point and pull a trigger.
So I guess you missed the part where the majority of folks who are incarcerated for homicide (let alone other violent offenses) didn't use a firearm?
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