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Old 07-16-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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Naming a tank for Rommel was considered a bit controversial, but it had to be conceded that politics aside, he was indisputably an extremely successful armor general and a patriot.
I would never name anything for any Nazi. Nazis, like Confederates, should be remembered, but never honored. Rommel might have been a great general, but he's still a Nazi.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Pretty sure I would have remembered using the word "all".
I'm absolutely sure you did not use the words some, or a group of

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In short, the concerned white people of Tennessee were very unhappy about the idea if acknowledging black men and women as equals, back in the 50s and 60s. So they looked around for a power demonstration, to sort of hammer home to the black population just who it was who actually held the reins of power. State legislatures of the former slave states suddenly couldn't celebrate their heritage enough.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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Gov. Bill Lee has proclaimed Saturday as Nathan Bedford Forrest Day in Tennessee, a day of observation to honor the former Confederate general and early Ku Klux Klan leader whose bust is on display in the state Capitol.
Conservatives (of course) are supportive of this.............

Yet routinely post stuff like this...........

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It’s good to teach present and future generations the proud racist history of the Democratic Party.


and they don't stop to consider this.......

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T

So conservative republican governor Bill Lee decides to proclaim "a day" for a Democrat who represents the "proud racist history of the Democratic Party."

Kinda funny if you ask me. Truly shows the conservative mind at work.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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I'm absolutely sure you did not use the words some, or a group of
I guess that means you retract your stance that I used "all"?

"the concerned" is what is known in English as a "qualifier".
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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I would never name anything for any Nazi. Nazis, like Confederates, should be remembered, but never honored. Rommel might have been a great general, but he's still a Nazi.
Sorta my point - the problem with the entire "honoring the person, not the politics" is that politics forms part of a person's character.

Interestingly, when Rommel was given a direct order to kill certain categories of prisoners of war, he refused. Forrest, not so much.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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The problem with history is that sometimes it can be inconvenient. After World War II ended, we brought hundreds of German (many ex-Nazi) scientists to this country for their technical expertise. Their efforts eventually helped us land on the moon.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:44 AM
 
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Sorta my point - the problem with the entire "honoring the person, not the politics" is that politics forms part of a person's character.

Interestingly, when Rommel was given a direct order to kill certain categories of prisoners of war, he refused. Forrest, not so much.
Forest took delight in it.......

He was described by many historians as a military genius. The guy was a self made millionaire, even though he was barely literate. He was probably the best Calvary officer in the war.

Too bad he was also a murdering sociopath and racist. Nothing should be named after him, he should receive no honors.

Other southern Generals at least had some honor, some humanity, but not Forest.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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Forest took delight in it.......

He was described by many historians as a military genius. The guy was a self made millionaire, even though he was barely literate. He was probably the best Calvary officer in the war.

Too bad he was also a murdering sociopath and racist. Nothing should be named after him, he should receive no honors.

Other southern Generals at least had some honor, some humanity, but not Forest.
He was a Confederate general. That alone is a reason he should never get any accolades or honors. He should be remembered as someone who fought for a dishonorable cause. He should be remembered as the founder of the KKK. And no Confederate general should ever get honored. Remember them, but never honor or pay accolades to them. In fact, alot of Confederate generals should have been taken to military tribunal and then imprisoned or executed.
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Old 07-17-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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The problem with history is that sometimes it can be inconvenient. After World War II ended, we brought hundreds of German (many ex-Nazi) scientists to this country for their technical expertise. Their efforts eventually helped us land on the moon.
That explains "Wernher von Braun day", of course. Wait - we don't have one of those, do we? Now why would that be? Because we don't honor people who fight for rotten ideals.

That's putting aside the fact that von Braun had something constructive to offer society, whereas Forrest's contribution peaked the day he stopped wasting otherwise useful oxygen.
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:06 AM
 
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That explains "Wernher von Braun day", of course. Wait - we don't have one of those, do we? Now why would that be? Because we don't honor people who fight for rotten ideals.

That's putting aside the fact that von Braun had something constructive to offer society, whereas Forrest's contribution peaked the day he stopped wasting otherwise useful oxygen.
Thank you. People who fight for rotten ideals do not deserve to be honored. Confederate generals should have beent treated the way Nazi generals were treated.
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