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Old 07-14-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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I don't think everyone in dangerous neighborhoods are dangerous. I will say that the chances of getting killed in certain areas are higher than in other areas. I do agree that when it comes to murder, out of millions of people, hardly 1 percent of those persons are committing murders. I agree that it takes a community to get the crime down. I also want to point to something else. New York City was mentioned. Gentrification played a big part in getting the crime down. Many would-be criminals went to places like New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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Thomas Abt is speaking on solutions to gun violence in the U.S. He has some interesting views on dealing with it.

If you don't want to listen to the entire interview then start listening at 4:10 up to 9:00. This part gives a summary of how he views gun violence and its solutions.
I have a question for you. In your opinion, what do you think an effective solution to urban gun violence is? Do you think the person in this video is 100% right?
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Old 07-15-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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I did some more research on Black murder victim rates. Ideally, I tried for only the top 10, but there are also caveats to explain. This is what I've found.

The states with the lowest Black homicide rates:
Maine, Montana, South Dakota, and Vermont(tied): Zero (0).
Utah (2.42 murders per 100,000)
Oregon (8.02 murders per 100,000)
North Dakota (8.91 murders per 100,000)
Connecticut (9.27 murders per 100,000)
Washington (9.3 murders per 100,000)
New Hampshire (9.81 murders per 100,000)
Massachusetts (10.32 murders per 100,000)
Rhode Island (10.52 murders per 100,000)
Mississippi (10.57 murders per 100,000)


States with the highest Black murder rates:
Missouri (46.21 murders per 100,00)
Wyoming (40.43 murders per 100,000)*
Wisconsin (37.57 murders per 100,000)
West Virginia (36.86 murders per 100,000)
Illinois (36.4 murders per 100,000)**
Alaska (36.28 murders per 100,000)***
Indiana (31.93 murders per 100,000)
Kentucky (28.85 murders per 100,000)
Michigan (28.55 murders per 100,000)
Tennessee (28.41 murders per 100,000)
Louisiana (27.72 murders per 100,000)
Pennsylvania (27.5 murders per 100,000)
Oklahoma (26.61 murders per 100,000)

*Wyoming has about 7400 Blacks in the entire state. 3 Blacks were murdered in Wyoming, so that skewed the numbers.
**Illinois only has data from Chicago and Rockford, so the Black murder rate is likely much higher if cities like Springfield, East St. Louis, Bloomington, Champaign, Carbondale, etc are included.
***Like Wyoming, it takes less than 10 murders for Alaska's Black population to have a higher per capita murder rate. Of course, the city of Anchorage also has gangs, so that is something to consider.
I'm not sure, as the rate may actually decrease if the rates of the other cities are lower and if you include those that live in suburbs/other small cities and towns that have low rates.

There may also be other things to consider like access to guns, mental health and environmental issues, among others.
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Old 07-15-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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Also, while this isn't the only way to murder someone, I think given some of the repsonses in the thread, this is some interesting information to consider.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...by-the-numbers

So, this tends to be an issue that is intra community.
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Old 07-15-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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I'm not sure, as the rate may actually decrease if the rates of the other cities are lower and if you include those that live in suburbs/other small cities and towns that have low rates.

There may also be other things to consider like access to guns, mental health and environmental issues, among others.
It might be the case. Illinois is a notoriously corrupt state. Now, the data for Alabama and Florida is not available. I wonder where Alabama would rank. Birmingham is a violent city. In 2018, 110 people were murdered.

I think about the states with high Black homicide rates. Illinois isn't the easiest place to get a gun. The other states are easy to get guns in. However, I would say mental health and environment issues should be looked at. I think about some of the states I referenced. Missouri's Black population is around 12 percent. Wisconsin's is around 6 percent. About 65 percent of Missouri's Black population lives in Kansas City, St. Louis County, and the City of St. Louis. Wisconsin's Black population, 70 percent of it is concentrated in Milwaukee alone. And cities like Kansas City, St. Louis, and Milwaukee have been struggling with gang violence. Michigan, well, Detroit and Flint are major factors. Tennessee, well, Memphis is a big factor. Memphis has always been a violence it. It's strangely less violent today (in spite of a rising murder rate) than it was back in the 1910s. Environments that are very rough places to live, alot of decay, many issues. And I do agree that there are alot of mental health issues that aren't being dealt with properly.
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Old 07-16-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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What I've been proposing for years is training young people in dialoguing techniques to obviate violence. It could be made a mandatory class in the public schools. I'd suggest it be taught at age 13 or so, so that H.S. dropouts would not be excluded.

This would be effective.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:31 PM
 
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What I've been proposing for years is training young people in dialoguing techniques to obviate violence. It could be made a mandatory class in the public schools. I'd suggest it be taught at age 13 or so, so that H.S. dropouts would not be excluded.

This would be effective.
You would not live long trying to talk someone out of their gun.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:40 PM
 
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You would not live long trying to talk someone out of their gun.
In your opinion, what is your solution to the violence taking place in the urban ghettos?
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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In your opinion, what is your solution to the violence taking place in the urban ghettos?
Find a way to change the culture, and no one seems to know how to do it.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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What I've been proposing for years is training young people in dialoguing techniques to obviate violence. It could be made a mandatory class in the public schools. I'd suggest it be taught at age 13 or so, so that H.S. dropouts would not be excluded.

This would be effective.
A mentality of violence does start young. Violent young adults were often once violent youths. However, I don't think 13 would be a good age for this. Young people would need such training much young, like age 4. By age 13 it might be alot harder to reach said persons. There are 13 year olds who are in gangs. Kids as young as age 10 are initiated into gangs via "beat-ins".

I was actually surprised to see a wikipedia page for this kid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sandifer

Robert "Yummy" Sandifer (1983-1994). This kid had a hard life. His father was not in his life because he was in prison. His mother was a criminal too. He was beaten alot as a kid, likely by his mother. He ended up living with his grandmother. By the time he was 8, he dropped out of school. He was going around breaking into houses and stealing cars. He became a bully. He stole from other kids in Roseland, the Chicago neighborhood he was living in. He was running errands for a street gang, the Black Disciples. By the time he was 11, he committed a murder. He had been arrested alot by that for crimes like stealing cars, arson, and armed robbery. The only reason he never got put into prison is because he was too young. He was later murdered by his own gang. He died at age 11. This kid became a gang member and violent criminal and later a murder victim before he hit puberty.

Sandifer's case is an extreme case. However, this illustrates why alot of people need to be reached at a much younger age.
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