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Old 07-14-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Ok here is where you confuse me. Who is we? Because I don't know a single anti-illegal poster who isn't for hammering employers.

I am 100% for mandatory E-verify. Make it the law of the land. My previous employer did it voluntarily. Every employee need to present an original birth certificate, original SS card and a picture ID, preferably passport. The company even assisted the brain dead in getting their documents. We are talking Thousands of employees. in Fact 10's of thousands.

The company I worked for isn't alone in that, many others did the same thing.
I see the parrot is back repeating the same old lies again. I wonder how many times I have to tell him/her that Trump has had e-verify in his last two budgets but just like in the past the Democrats probably voted it down. They won't sign an e-verify bill unless a massive amnesty is attached to it. I wonder how many times I have to tell that poster that Trump has reinstated the workplace raids that Obama discontinued before he puts away his parrot act? I wonder how many times I have to tell him that in the past two years several employers have been held accountable that "knowingly" had illegals working for them and were held accountable? Polly wanna cracker? Something is wrong with someone who keeps repeating the same thing over and over again. That poster doesn't want any focus on the illegals at all that's why he deflects to the employers all the time. Well guess what, they are both equally guilty of breaking the and they both should be and are being held accountable.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:48 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Not all illegal residents need to be removed.

Many have jobs, businesses and are not liabilities to this country. They can be put in process for green cards & that will secure their commitment to their community.

Some have been here since they are babies. Now they are in schools to be teachers, lawyers, doctors, mechanics.....

The orders of removal were issued in abstention -- the people don't know they have those orders.

There is concern in trying to find those people that ICE will use their authority to get others......three is concern no mass panic.

It is clear this administration is struggling with the resources they have and they want to add more burdens to these resources.

This is chaos and the immigration policy approach changes daily.

Trump is seeking retribution for not getting his wall. He's not pursuing the best course of action for this country. His ego is bruised and he wants retribution.
He is doing what he was elected to do.

Illegal aliens should not be comfortable. If they are, then you are doing it wrong.

They are in the country illegally. They should be in hiding, so if they have “jobs and businesses”, again, you are doing it wrong.

In a sane world, there would be no rewards for breaking our laws, only punishment.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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You mean they should start validating everyone citizenships?

It sounds like a call for national id card, which must be presented whenever demanded.

PAPERS!!!!!
This is corporate decisions right now.

Until we require employers to verify legal status we can't hold them accountable.

So which is it? Do we want to be able to hold employers accountable or not?

As for the bogus analogy to papers.

We already do that . Try getting a passport without original documents.

For the record, a national ID card is no issue. We already have SS cards. WE gave up our wish for privacy from the Fed when we adopted SS. That horse is out of the barn and a long time ago.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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Not all illegal residents need to be removed.

Many have jobs, businesses and are not liabilities to this country. They can be put in process for green cards & that will secure their commitment to their community.

Some have been here since they are babies. Now they are in schools to be teachers, lawyers, doctors, mechanics.....

The orders of removal were issued in abstention -- the people don't know they have those orders.

There is concern in trying to find those people that ICE will use their authority to get others......three is concern no mass panic.

It is clear this administration is struggling with the resources they have and they want to add more burdens to these resources.

This is chaos and the immigration policy approach changes daily.

Trump is seeking retribution for not getting his wall. He's not pursuing the best course of action for this country. His ego is bruised and he wants retribution.
No, all need to be removed. If they are not legally here, they need to be removed.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Because those who skipped court, received orders for removal in absentia.
When accused, you have the right to defend yourself in court.

Those who give up that right, will likely be found guilty.

And the judgement will stick.

Buh-bye.
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Not all illegal residents need to be removed.
Fine. Change the law to make the exceptions you have in mind.

Until you do, the law remains: All illegal residents need to be removed.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:04 PM
 
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No, all need to be removed. If they are not legally here, they need to be removed.
Exactly! Just because they have managed to evade the law for several years and took a job they weren't entitled to or brought their kids here illegally it is no justification for any of them to be allowed remain here. It's already been proven that amnesty just encourages more to come here illegally. How about felony ID theft is that to all be overlooked and forgiven also?

The employers would have no shortage of workers because Americans would get their jobs back. Of course they'd have to pay a decent wage again. Oh the horror!
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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He is doing what he was elected to do.

Illegal aliens should not be comfortable. If they are, then you are doing it wrong.

They are in the country illegally. They should be in hiding, so if they have “jobs and businesses”, again, you are doing it wrong.

In a sane world, there would be no rewards for breaking our laws, only punishment.
Amennnnnnnnnn.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:08 PM
 
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This is corporate decisions right now.

Until we require employers to verify legal status we can't hold them accountable.
Yes we can. We have. It's fairly rare but we indeed have and can.
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Old 07-14-2019, 09:09 PM
 
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Exactly! Just because they have managed to evade the law for several years and took a job they weren't entitled to or brought their kids here illegally it is no justification for any of them to be allowed remain here. It's already been proven that amnesty just encourages more to come here illegally. How about felony ID theft is that to all be overlooked and forgiven also?

The employers would have no shortage of workers because Americans would get their jobs back. Of course they'd have to pay a decent wage again. Oh the horror!
That's why it isn't happening.
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