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Old 07-16-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Don't hold our breath. There might be a small number of raids which will do nothing about the thousands of employers.
Well one can only hope. Making E-verfy the law of the land would be a help. take away the plausible deniability.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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Well one can only hope. Making E-verfy the law of the land would be a help. take away the plausible deniability.
Even at that.......what happens if there were massive raids and hundreds of businesses lost their employees even if they themselves did not get arrested?
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Who knows, maybe Trump is trying to lull the illegals into a false sense of security? Bunch of false alarms and pretty soon they just ignore the alarm. I would love to see ICE raids nail the illegals where they work along with their greedy employers.
Mira Lago Resort, perhaps?
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Somewhere between the Americas and Western Europe
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Even at that.......what happens if there were massive raids and hundreds of businesses lost their employees even if they themselves did not get arrested?

A two-prong approach is sorely needed. Arrest the employers and/or fine them in such a manner that it hurts so bad that they'll actually start following the immigration laws or raising their salaries to attract legal workers.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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ICE Raids Have Started.
Good. I'm sure that other types criminals have been arrested by other types of law enforcement officers as well. Everyone is doing their job. Good to see our tax money actually going toward enforcing our laws rather than dismantling our culture.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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A two-prong approach is sorely needed. Arrest the employers and/or fine them in such a manner that it hurts so bad that they'll actually start following the immigration laws or raising their salaries to attract legal workers.
No disagreement. Do you see anyone that can do that trying to do so?
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Somewhere between the Americas and Western Europe
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No disagreement. Do you see anyone that can do that trying to do so?

No. But I think the people who usually express concern for illegal immigration would be more than happy to see the employers penalized.


In the grand scheme, neither the illegal immigrants NOR the employers are facing any real consequences for their action.


Statistically, nobody gets deported if you look at the 10 million - 20 million here illegally, and the mere "thousands" deported.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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No. But I think the people who usually express concern for illegal immigration would be more than happy to see the employers penalized.
I'm not so sure of the number there because they know what will happen if that ever actually happened.

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In the grand scheme, neither the illegal immigrants NOR the employers are facing any real consequences for their action.


Statistically, nobody gets deported if you look at the 10 million - 20 million here illegally, and the mere "thousands" deported.
Right, it's all rhetoric with people cheering that rhetoric on. We can ask ourselves why.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Somewhere between the Americas and Western Europe
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I'm not so sure of the number there because they know what will happen if that ever actually happened.



Right, it's all rhetoric with people cheering that rhetoric on. We can ask ourselves why.


Which rhetoric?

That we ARE doing something, or that SO MUCH is being done that it's "tearing families apart and destroying lives?"



Ultimately, because we cannot deport 10 million or more people, the goal is self-deportation. Ramping up the efforts on both ends (targeting the illegals here AND employers) should act as a deterrent.

But, what we need to NOT have are people on the left THWARTING those efforts publicly. Offering false hope (and as demonstrated, sometimes blatantly helping people break the law).

Any politician assisting in that effort needs to be removed from office immediately.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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Which rhetoric?

That we ARE doing something, or that SO MUCH is being done that it's "tearing families apart and destroying lives?"
Fair question. Without question the first. We are not doing anything, we both agree there. The second part is more complex. Does it do long term harm for a child to be taken from their parent? Complicated question most likely needing it's own discussion.

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Ultimately, because we cannot deport 10 million or more people, the goal is self-deportation. Ramping up the efforts on both ends (targeting the illegals here AND employers) should act as a deterrent.

But, what we need to NOT have are people on the left THWARTING those efforts publicly. Offering false hope (and as demonstrated, sometimes blatantly helping people break the law).

Any politician assisting in that effort needs to be removed from office immediately.
As long as we are not addressing the employer angle, I'm going to support the people angle. I do not try and hide that.
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