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seriously. When our currency fails? When the bureaucrats socialize healthcare? When the supreme court rules the DC gun ban constitutional? When the government defaults on social security and medicare benefits? How much longer will we take violations of state's rights, private property rights, privacy rights, and our nation's sovereignty?
The founding fathers were up in arms over a small tax on imported tea. Where's the civil disobedience at? Where are the protests? Where's our Boston Tea Party? Is America too apathetic and/or spineless to make a stand? Will we submit to fascism and totalitarianism of the federal bureaucracy? Or will we rally as our founding fathers did in an effort for our God given liberty? Who will make a stand with me?
First off, we are not become a totalitarian nation, name any rights you have lost, oh wait that question has already been asked and none of you "Patriots" can name any. Talk talk talk, but it is good to see you are in Texas, so if you finally find the nerve to try and tear this nation apart I will be waiting to stop you, dead cold.
Casper
SLCPUNK represents an element of the population that patriots are fighting against. When will radical left wing Marxists like SLCPUNK remove their heads from their butt and see what is really going on. If you idiots are not not part of the solution you are part of the problem. I am 77 years old and fully expect to have to shed blood to restore this country to its former greatness. There is NO question that Obama and his henchmen are hell bent to destroy and reform this country into a Marxist state with a one-world order. I do not believe we can restore this country at the voting booth... we (the conservatives) cannot even get the Republicans to unite into one conservative voice. We first need to weed out the moderate and liberal Republicans and then fight like hell with what we have to destroy the enemy within.... destroy the Marxists that hate our country. SLCPUNK... you are evil.
Jeeeez, I wish you big mouths would hurry up and find a pair. How much liquid courage is it gonna take, not there yet, drink another one and tell us all what you are gonna do to us? Oh, if you ever do find your spine (which I doubt) and make that stupid move that you farsiders ramble on and on about say goodbye to the family before heading out, you will not be coming back, many Americans believe in shooting Traitors.
Casper
First off, we are not become a totalitarian nation, name any rights you have lost, oh wait that question has already been asked and none of you "Patriots" can name any. Talk talk talk, but it is good to see you are in Texas, so if you finally find the nerve to try and tear this nation apart I will be waiting to stop you, dead cold.
Casper
Meh, let 'em have Texas.
I'm sure that all the Christian fundies will be more than welcomed as well.
Perhaps name it "Texanistan", they form the theodemocracy or theonomy they cry for now.
After their nation falls apart, we can call it the failed experiment it was dooned to be from the start, and let the far-righties back in. A triumphant day indeed to watch those people rejoin the Union with their tails bwetween their legs and the hang-dog expressions when they are finally proven to be dead wrong.
Same thing with the prog-leftists. Perhaps take over California, rename it "Caliutopia" or such.
People on the far edges of the political spectrum are, IMHO, simply clueless people who have no clue what it means to live in a Constitutional Republic, nor even any wish to live in a Cosntitutional Republic, so they shout, whine, and try to turn it into their version of "democracy".
seriously. When our currency fails? When the bureaucrats socialize healthcare? When the supreme court rules the DC gun ban constitutional? When the government defaults on social security and medicare benefits? How much longer will we take violations of state's rights, private property rights, privacy rights, and our nation's sovereignty?
The founding fathers were up in arms over a small tax on imported tea. Where's the civil disobedience at? Where are the protests? Where's our Boston Tea Party? Is America too apathetic and/or spineless to make a stand? Will we submit to fascism and totalitarianism of the federal bureaucracy? Or will we rally as our founding fathers did in an effort for our God given liberty? Who will make a stand with me?
Well this month is bad for me, maybe another time.
Seriously I don't see it happening. If the government turned on us and flipped our world upside down then maybe but the erosion of freedoms is slow and painless so people are willing to accept a small loss here and there. When they realize they've backed themselves into a cage, it'll be too late. It should be obvious that we're more than happy to trade a little bit of freedom here and there for the illusion of safety. What's safer than a cage?
I could see civilization collapse from a natural disaster, I could see an attack from a foreign nation if our economy collapsed, heck I could even imagine an alien invasion of people-eating lizards before we would collectively lift a finger to defend our liberties from being eaten away by our own government. One of the prices of freedom is personal responsibility and folks just aren't buying that any more.
I do not believe we can restore this country at the voting booth... we (the conservatives) cannot even get the Republicans to unite into one conservative voice. We first need to weed out the moderate and liberal Republicans and then fight like hell with what we have to destroy the enemy within.... destroy the Marxists that hate our country.
Sounds like you just want to destroy any one who disagrees with your point of view..So what would be the end-result of your "glorious revoultion", would any disenting points of view be quashed? You're talking about a violent uprising and then talking about destroying the "enemies within"--which would probably include myself according to your warped point of view.. Please do expand, sir..
seriously. When our currency fails? When the bureaucrats socialize healthcare? When the supreme court rules the DC gun ban constitutional? When the government defaults on social security and medicare benefits? How much longer will we take violations of state's rights, private property rights, privacy rights, and our nation's sovereignty?
The founding fathers were up in arms over a small tax on imported tea. Where's the civil disobedience at? Where are the protests? Where's our Boston Tea Party? Is America too apathetic and/or spineless to make a stand? Will we submit to fascism and totalitarianism of the federal bureaucracy? Or will we rally as our founding fathers did in an effort for our God given liberty? Who will make a stand with me?
You could always secede.
Here's a newsflash for you...most people don't agree with you.
First off, we are not become a totalitarian nation, name any rights you have lost, oh wait that question has already been asked and none of you "Patriots" can name any. Talk talk talk, but it is good to see you are in Texas, so if you finally find the nerve to try and tear this nation apart I will be waiting to stop you, dead cold.
Casper
There does not need to be an armed revolution. We can find a way to have a peaceful split, or at least enough people standing up where we can make the states actually have rights again. According to many, there is basically no limits to federal power as of their interpretation of the constitution. Thereby, states basically have absolutely no rights at all.
I realize to many, having a one-world nation sounds great. And keeping the United States together is part of what makes us Americans. But I am definitely starting to believe that splitting the country up would be a far better proposition.
The country is divided now, very divide. And while many will compare this division to the civil war, and to the vietnam war era. I would actually say that this division is worse than before. Primarily on the basis that I don't believe this division can easily be corrected.
The civil war was really about slavery, and its difficult to fault the north for wanting to abolish slavery. The south might throw a fit, but it was the right thing to do. And the north, who were an obvious majority, were morally correct in abolishing slavery. You can talk state rights all you want, but the South was still wrong.
In the civil war era, we were in a war that went against the United Nations resolution that we were a part of. We were in a war we couldn't win, killing tens of thousands of Americans. And at the homefront we had the civil rights movement, which in the end was morally justified.
Now lets compare that to the current divisiveness of the country in terms of moral justification.
The moral decline of this country has been stark since the liberals took office. The immigration policies that liberals support are also eroding the moral foundation and stability of this country. The constant pressure from the ACLU to abolish religion in this country is disgusting, which is backed by the current liberal government. And the constant push to legitimize homosexuals as being normal, is against all logic and morals. Companies controlling elections and being considered legally one person, the huge gap between rich and poor. And the illegal wars we are currently fighting.
There is no moral justification for the current policies being pushed through the federal government. They will only cause the destruction of this country. It is actually more moral to break the country up into factions based on ideology than it is to continue to force policies down the throats of people who do not want them.
Wouldn't we be better off at least giving people more options? If you don't like Texas, move to California or vice versa? Why is it OK to force the entire country to be like California.
I do not believe we can restore this country at the voting booth... we (the conservatives) cannot even get the Republicans to unite into one conservative voice.
So the real threat to democracy isn't the socialist, it isn't the Democrats, hell it isn't even the Republicans in any flavor. The threat to democracy are neo-fascist like yourself who believe that your idea of right, trumps everyone else's. You can hide behind all the rhetoric about political values, freedom etc, none of which you care one god damn iota about.
I find if so vastly ironic that those of us who were involved in the ultra left during 60's and 70's, gave up our idiotic rhetoric about revolution, dropped back into the system, and learned to play by the rules only to find that after democratically enduring 8 years of Reagan, a ridiculous attempt of a coup disguised as an impeachment, a stolen election and the resultant 8 years of Bush 43 are now confronted by right wing nut cases who make the worst excesses of the 60's seem like child's play in comparison.
So, excuse me if I look at these discussions about lost liberty and the
"need to restore" the country after we endured the extra-Constitutional appointment of George Bush, and eight year of his head up his rectum administration as the BS that it is. Instead of buying up every gun, and clogging every website with insane inanities (funny how that rhymes with Hannity) we reached into the old left play book, not Alinsky's, but Joe Hill's famous advice, "Don't Mourn Organize!"
That is what people in a democratic society do, they work to convince people of the correctness of their views. If Obama for some unforeseen reason is defeated in a democratic election in 2012, we won't be talking about revolution, we'll being talking about how to win the next election, that is the American way, that is the way of people who love and cherish freedom.
Your way is the way of fascist, and folks who despise freedom and democracy.
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