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Old 07-20-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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The majority of Americans are unpopular with the civilized people of the world.
What civilized people?
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Old 07-20-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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In the mid-19th century, this kind of polarization resulted in the Civil War, but as there are now a great many extreme liberals and extreme conservatives in almost every area of the U.S. (with some notable exceptions, I think), how do you think this will eventually resolve?

1. That the liberals or extreme liberals will prevail

2. That the conservatives or extreme conservatives will prevail

3. That people will eventually learn to live mostly in harmony with each other after some kind of "give" on both sides

4. That things will continue as they are indefinitely, with extremists on both sides continuing to strongly dislike (or even hate) those who disagree with them on some issues

5. Other?

Also, do you think that there will be an increase in both the frequency and intensity of violent confrontations between extremists (of either or both parties), or not?

(Just looking for immediate "off the cuff" opinions here, which is why I did not post this in Great Debates.)
OP you do realize there is a major civil war within the Democratic party right?
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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It's hard to predict how this will evolve. Could anyone ever have predicted that we would have a dictator wanna be as president? Could anyone have predicted that we would have an even bigger crook in the white house than Nixon? Well okay, that was easy enough.

I do predict that our constitution will prevail and that lawless people get their come uppens in the end. We are a nation that follows the rule of law.

As far as the division and fear mongering? Even the lunatic fringe has their 15 minutes of fame. The political pendulum swings in both directions, sometimes more slowly than other times.

What's disturbing is the number of people that are too gullible and buy into lies and conspiracy theories. Stupid is as stupid does. Run Forest run.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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I think the country is going to break up in the next 50 years. What Trump has exposed are huge fundamental differences between the left and the right that cannot be mended. They are polar opposite; everything from urban to rural, educated to uneducated, religious to non-religious. There is no middle ground and both sides genuinely do not like or want to be around each other. IMO this will lead to an amicable divorce. Perhaps Canada will see the benefits of adding the Pacific Northwest to their tax base. Perhaps Texas will decide to part ways and add a few Southern states while they're at it. Perhaps Southern Florida will join Puerto Rico and a few other Caribbean islands to create their own delicious, touristy oasis.

I just do not think the U.S. can or should remain together when the differences are so extreme. Nothing constructive gets done because both sides have dug in and we have people like McConnell who operate in a mafia-like manner, not unlike Trump. The GOP is now trying to undo many environmental laws, increasing pesticide use and allowing corporations to appeal environmental decisions but not allowing cities or municipalities to appeal. Got that? Only one side gets to appeal and that side is the corporation. The EPA is quickly becoming the enemy of the environment. This is what the GOP represents and there's no way a country can hold together like this, it's only a matter of time before geographies creatively part ways.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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I think the country is going to break up in the next 50 years. What Trump has exposed are huge fundamental differences between the left and the right that cannot be mended. They are polar opposite; everything from urban to rural, educated to uneducated, religious to non-religious. There is no middle ground and both sides genuinely do not like or want to be around each other. IMO this will lead to an amicable divorce. Perhaps Canada will see the benefits of adding the Pacific Northwest to their tax base. Perhaps Texas will decide to part ways and add a few Southern states while they're at it. Perhaps Southern Florida will join Puerto Rico and a few other Caribbean islands to create their own delicious, touristy oasis.

I just do not think the U.S. can or should remain together when the differences are so extreme. Nothing constructive gets done because both sides have dug in and we have people like McConnell who operate in a mafia-like manner, not unlike Trump. The GOP is now trying to undo many environmental laws, increasing pesticide use and allowing corporations to appeal environmental decisions but not allowing cities or municipalities to appeal. Got that? Only one side gets to appeal and that side is the corporation. The EPA is quickly becoming the enemy of the environment. This is what the GOP represents and there's no way a country can hold together like this, it's only a matter of time before geographies creatively part ways.
Without out saying it what you are talking about is another Civil War !!!

Who knows, it may come to that again !!! We aren't even close to that yet !!!

It won't happen until the donors are willing to fund it and see a huge profit to be made at the end of it !!!
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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It's hard to predict how this will evolve. Could anyone ever have predicted that we would have a dictator wanna be as president? Could anyone have predicted that we would have an even bigger crook in the white house than Nixon? Well okay, that was easy enough.

I do predict that our constitution will prevail and that lawless people get their come uppens in the end. We are a nation that follows the rule of law.

As far as the division and fear mongering? Even the lunatic fringe has their 15 minutes of fame. The political pendulum swings in both directions, sometimes more slowly than other times.

What's disturbing is the number of people that are too gullible and buy into lies and conspiracy theories. Stupid is as stupid does. Run Forest run.
When I saw Obama and McCain supposedly running against each otherand during the pathetic campaign that McCain put out he spoke to the media "I think he'll make a great President" I knew then that a dictator, and more crooked than anyone yet, would become occupant of the WH. Could anyone have predicted it. Yep. They sure could.
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Old 07-20-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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I'd guess a combination of # 1 and 3. Once liberal policies get enacted (eg., SS, Medicare, Medicaid, free public high school, minimum wage, etc.) they are not likely to get rolled back. If anything, people will want more for their tax dollars, given how much the elite get out of the sysem. But also number three because when there is extreme political division in society, like there was in the 60's, people get tired of it and eventually, with any sort of general prosperity, are involved less in ideology, and more in just enjoying their lives.
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Old 07-20-2019, 03:24 PM
 
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I heard the 60s was worse.
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Old 07-20-2019, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Boston
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I heard the 60s was worse.
the 60's would make this look like story hour at the library. Get over yourselves libs. Nobody is turning their wealth over to you to support your present socialist concepts.

Your on your own, accept it, or pay your own way.
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Old 07-20-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Millennials and Gen Z are less dogmatic about social issues than the baby boomers. They don't see abortion and gay marriage as hills to die on. They don't have any issues with legalizing marijuana. They aren't interested in living in a "Christian nation." They grew up in families more like the Simpsons and less like the Waltons. Even those who do lean conservative on social issues are less dogmatic about it than baby boomers. Many right-leaning young people are libertarian on social issues and could care less about religion. I think if we can make it another 15-20 years to see the generational shift from baby boomers to Millennials/Gen X, we might be able to see some progress towards finding some real solutions to our problems. However, that's a big if.

That's not to say there aren't young people with a more boomer-like attitude on those issues, it's just they are a minority.
Good response. Today's polarization will end with a long series of funerals. There will not be any real reconciliation among the current Baby Boomers and older generations. People's minds are set. Younger generations are turned off by today's political climate and it's sheer ineffectiveness of addressing this nation's problems. Hopefully they will see through the foolishness of our current tribalism on both sides and move on. The 60's were probably more divisive than what we see today and eventually people tired of it and found some middle ground and moved on. The youth in this country hold the keys to the future and all I can say to them is don't do what we did.
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