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Old 07-21-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Boston
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similar hair styles....
 
Old 07-21-2019, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Originally Posted by skeddy View Post
Bernie's a fraud we've known that for decades. No wonder he's a democrat.

Proof?

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Not when it was the Soviet Union.
You and the others have been proven wrong time after time plenty of links have been provided that information. Just because you choose NOT to read it is no ones fault but your own.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Now Bernie will have less of a chance of winning because he will have productivity issues with less overall time worked by staff. This is EXACTLY how a national $15 min wage would play out. Labor costs would stay the same because workers hours would be cut/limited, some workers who can not produce a return on the wage will be fired(disabled people, teenagers, people without any skills), with working hours decreasing overall productivity will decrease hindering our chances of winning(growth) in a competitive international economy, less growth equals less tax revenue causing the government to increase taxes and the workers end up with less than what they had before the minimum wage increase. This doesn’t even take inflationary pressure into account. Increasing minimum wage makes no sense at all. North Dakota has the highest real inflation adjusted wages in the country, they have the lowest minimum wage. Real wages were higher in this country before we ever implemented a minimum wage.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Considering wages in the US has not gone up for 40 years... something has to be done.

Increasing minimum wage, will give the lowest classes more money. That will put upward pressure on other sectors to increase enough to offset a minimum wage job and any other job.

It will increase everybody's salary...

Since Reagans 40+ year old trickle down economy is a proven epic failure... its time to put the money into the workers hands again, to increase their spending and drive demand.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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Considering wages in the US has not gone up for 40 years... something has to be done.

Increasing minimum wage, will give the lowest classes more money. That will put upward pressure on other sectors to increase enough to offset a minimum wage job and any other job.

It will increase everybody's salary...

Since Reagans 40+ year old trickle down economy is a proven epic failure... its time to put the money into the workers hands again, to increase their spending and drive demand.
Right now wages are increasing against inflation. 3.2% wage growth vs 2.3% inflation. But let’s ask ourselves what else has been going on for 40 years? Endless flows of low/non skilled labor flooding across our border? Interesting that skilled labor wages have exploded but low/nonskilled wages have been stagnant declining. It’s simple supply and demand. The states with the highest real inflation adjusted wages also tend to have the lowest amount of illegal immigration(New Hampshire, Dakotas, Iowa, Utah). Increasing minimums will just get unskilled people, who largely can not produce a return on the wage, fired or their hours cut, unable to get on the job experience for higher paying jobs. The CBO also stated that it would cut economic output by nearly a full percent. It’s bad economics.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 07:44 PM
 
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For all your long rant I don’t see you or your fellow conservatives offering up a answer either, most likely it’s because they are to busy taking money from lobbyists.
My solution, which would be to return to the old system that worked .... i.e., pay as you go, out of pocket for everything except serious illness requiring hospitalization, would not be well received by the brainwashed and unwashed masses that are already convinced that health insurance should cover everything, from erection pills, to abortions, to sex reassignment surgery.

But that is the ONLY solution to an out of control system that profits from sickness, and makes nothing on the healthy. The healthcare system has no incentive to reduce costs (profit). To expect the system to reduce costs is an asinine idea, though to expect the government to take over and deliver lower cost healthcare is even more asinine. The best and only way to keep costs down is to let the consumer control those costs by their choice to either pay or not pay the asking price. If they say no, the price will come down until they say yes.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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My solution, which would be to return to the old system that worked .... i.e., pay as you go, out of pocket for everything except serious illness requiring hospitalization, would not be well received by the brainwashed and unwashed masses that are already convinced that health insurance should cover everything, from erection pills, to abortions, to sex reassignment surgery.

But that is the ONLY solution to an out of control system that profits from sickness, and makes nothing on the healthy. The healthcare system has no incentive to reduce costs (profit). To expect the system to reduce costs is an asinine idea, though to expect the government to take over and deliver lower cost healthcare is even more asinine. The best and only way to keep costs down is to let the consumer control those costs by their choice to either pay or not pay the asking price. If they say no, the price will come down until they say yes.
Why not go after the insurance companies that send lobbyists to Washington? No one touched that idea, then again, why would they? Less money in the pockets of the politicians.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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Right now wages are increasing against inflation. 3.2% wage growth vs 2.3% inflation. But let’s ask ourselves what else has been going on for 40 years? Endless flows of low/non skilled labor flooding across our border? Interesting that skilled labor wages have exploded but low/nonskilled wages have been stagnant declining. It’s simple supply and demand. The states with the highest real inflation adjusted wages also tend to have the lowest amount of illegal immigration(New Hampshire, Dakotas, Iowa, Utah). Increasing minimums will just get unskilled people, who largely can not produce a return on the wage, fired or their hours cut, unable to get on the job experience for higher paying jobs. The CBO also stated that it would cut economic output by nearly a full percent. It’s bad economics.
It’s also bad logic, and lacking common sense. But it is the perfect example of liberal backward thinking. As Thomas Sowell saiid “the history of western society for the past 30 years has been a history of replacing what works, with what sounded good”.
 
Old 07-21-2019, 07:57 PM
 
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Now Bernie will have less of a chance of winning because he will have productivity issues with less overall time worked by staff. This is EXACTLY how a national $15 min wage would play out. Labor costs would stay the same because workers hours would be cut/limited, some workers who can not produce a return on the wage will be fired(disabled people, teenagers, people without any skills), with working hours decreasing overall productivity will decrease hindering our chances of winning(growth) in a competitive international economy, less growth equals less tax revenue causing the government to increase taxes and the workers end up with less than what they had before the minimum wage increase. This doesn’t even take inflationary pressure into account. Increasing minimum wage makes no sense at all. North Dakota has the highest real inflation adjusted wages in the country, they have the lowest minimum wage. Real wages were higher in this country before we ever implemented a minimum wage.
Excellent summation. The left will just say you're dumb and greedy. Probably really rich too. How did you get so rich if you're so dumb?
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