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Old 07-22-2019, 05:29 PM
 
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In the land of Idiocracy that would be true, but in places with intelligent folks who love their kids and are concerned for the future this issue needs to be front and center.
And of course these intelligent folks are refraining from using products containing chemical-based fragrances:

Bath soap
Hand soap
Dish soap
Detergent
Fabric Softener
Room deodorizer
Candles
Shampoo
Conditioner
Hair Spray
Deodorant
Body Lotion
Perfume
Cologne
etc., etc.

https://time.com/3703948/is-perfume-safe/
Disrupting our hormones, including testosterone. That’s a big concern for pregnant women, Patisaul says. “There’s evidence connecting phthalates to developmental disorders, especially among newborn boys,” she explains.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/perfu...gies_n_1894746

https://www.womensvoices.org/2018/09...e-ingredients/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-and-colognes/

https://www.mamavation.com/featured/...chemicals.html

https://ourlittleplace.com/health-ri...rance-products

https://draxe.com/health/detox/dange...thetic-scents/

Other physical and neurological issues: dermatitis; migraines; birth defects; depression.

But, oh no, we can't stop using those products - they smell nice. Instead let's accuse President Trump of trying to poison us!!!

Ludicrous!!!!
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Looks like it actually affects all kids. Guess the Trump admin just doesn't care about kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...fos-trump-food
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Indeed, and there is a difference between corollary and causation, and the studies about "hurting kids' brains" are all based on corellation, not causation. The only studies with causative evidence were with lab animals (rats) and direct exposure via spiked food and injection.

The chemical in question has been around since 1966, and in widespread farm use since not much after that. The WHO lists it as "moderately hazardous" and it is in widespread use in over 100 countries, and it is currently not under and international control for agricultural use...like anywhere in the world. A few countries have the same residential ban as the US.

Basically, there is sufficient cause to be careful round the substance, particularly farm workers who have much greater exposure concerns, but an outright ban makes no sense from any perspective other than knee jerk sensationalism. Tons of products tat enable this modern world of ours have health risks with acute or prolonged exposure, and none of them are banned and nobody cares.

A full ban on this pesticide makes no sense given the current data. That isn't "being a shill for Trump" because I would have said the same thing 5 years ago when Obama didn't ban it, or between 1992-2000 when Clinton didn't ban it, etc. There isn't enough CAUSATION evidence with humans to warrant a full outright ban.
Since you haven't seen the studies I don't see how you can come to that conclusion, this was recommended by the American Society of Pediatrics along with the EPA scientists over years not a "knee jerk reaction".


This will end up in the courts and the EPA can explain why they ignored the science and reversed their decision.




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Pregnant women who lived near fields and farms that use chlorpyrifos experienced an increased risk of having a child with autism, according to a University of California at Davis study. Low to moderate levels of chlorpyrifos exposure during pregnancy were also linked to lower IQs and memory problems, according to researchers at Columbia and UC Berkeley. Studies have further raised concerns about decreased lung function and reduced fertility.


In Tulare County, growers applied more than 1m pounds of chlorpyrifos in a five-year period, according to state data. A 2014 state report found that in one year, farmers applied more than 750 pounds of the pesticide within one-quarter of a mile of four different public schools.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...l-valley-trump
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Is this one of those wasp sprays college kids are huffing?

I am pretty sure any and all Pesticides are bad for kids health.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:56 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Looks like it actually affects all kids. Guess the Trump admin just doesn't care about kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...fos-trump-food
That was data gathered after the residential ban in 2000. They gathered data in 2003.

From the study linked in that editorial:


"It should be noted that health risks of chlorpyrifos have been raised for decades, resulting in a ban on household use of chlorpyrifos in 2000. The ban was timely for scientific reasons, in that it nested a natural experiment within an ongoing birth cohort study at Columbia University in which the research team was studying effects of pesticide exposure on the developing brain. Before the ban, they found decreases in birth weight and length in relationship to levels of chlorpyrifos in newborn cord blood. After the ban, as levels substantially decreased, associations with these strong predictors of adult neurocognitive and cardiovascular outcomes disappeared [19]."
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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Yep...you read that right....


I can recall Michelle Obama being trolled and bashed for advocating for her organic vegetable garden and healthy school lunches...
Don’t use the pesticide.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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To be careful around the substance? And what do you mean nobody cares when obviously there are groups that do. If Silent Spring had not been published we would likely still be exposed to DDT and the like.
The DDT scare was just that. It's a myth.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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Looks like it actually affects all kids. Guess the Trump admin just doesn't care about kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...fos-trump-food
Sure it does, that's why it's used all over the world and not banned. I guess the entire world doesn't care about the kids.
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Old 07-23-2019, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Future Republican voters! - who says Trump can't plan long-term?
That really shows YOUR intelligence, and lack of brainwashed bias, doesn't it?

You must be so proud.
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Old 07-23-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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The DDT scare was just that. It's a myth.
Are you serious?!?
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