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Old 08-02-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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No its not fair, but we as a Nation don't do it for her. We do it for her kids to make sure they are taken care of. But it pisses a lot of people off and rightly so when people misuse programs. I became disabled a number of years ago and am fortunate that i do not require things like hud or sect. 8 housing but it ticks me off that the waiting list is many years long for even the disabled because people do what she has done. Unfortunalty this situation is not going to change soon since our culture has "evolved" where such behavior is no longer considered shameful.
Wait until abortion is made illegal in some states with poverty stricken mothers requiring prenatal, medical, welfare, food stamps, reduced lunches, etc. As for having too many farmers, this may ultimately become self-solving over time. Even with Trump throwing billions of dollars at them as if he's Oprah, many are still filing bankruptcy and/or can't hire workers because the money they pay only buys them the illegals they want to have deported. In a way, much of the billions spent are wasted, not unlike saving coal. Farmers should have to prove they can be self-sustaining.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Can some one say
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The image of the farmer in overalls and a straw hat trying to scrape a living from the earth is really out of date. Those guys are long gone, bankrupt and gobbled up by big operations. The ones left are folding fast with Trump's failed tariff war.
The majority of recipients of today's agricultural welfare payments are huge, multinational corporations that bribe farm state politicians to keep the gravy train flowing (and plenty of illegals being allowed across the border). It makes one wonder if Trump's tariff and handout policy is not part of a larger scheme by his swamp rat cabinet and Ag secretary to push small farmers out of business leaving only agribusiness interests left.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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Just heard that the EU will be buying our beef. Why weren't they buying it before? We didn't have Mad Cow disease in the US, if I recall correctly.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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I know a former Iraq vet who is very right wing. He just had a baby with his girlfriend. The baby was born months early and was in NICU for all that time. The girlfriend is on Medicaid and they have no intention of marrying because the baby will be expensive and plus all the benefits she receives. He does not see how his right wing views contradict with his actions, just like the farmers. They say one thing and do the opposite. The farmers are such a classic example now though and I do think we have too many farmers.
Farmers did not create, and do not control our current mess of agriculture.

The fact that you can be so easily manipulated is no surprise.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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Just heard that the EU will be buying our beef. Why weren't they buying it before? We didn't have Mad Cow disease in the US, if I recall correctly.
Hormones, etc?
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Maybe the stockpiles of soybeans could be used for biofuels. I'm not kidding about this. America produces alot of corn. I'd rather see some of the overstock used for biofuels than high fructose corn syrup. We in America drink too much pop anyway.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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Wait until abortion is made illegal in some states with poverty stricken mothers requiring prenatal, medical, welfare, food stamps, reduced lunches, etc. As for having too many farmers, this may ultimately become self-solving over time. Even with Trump throwing billions of dollars at them as if he's Oprah, many are still filing bankruptcy and/or can't hire workers because the money they pay only buys them the illegals they want to have deported. In a way, much of the billions spent are wasted, not unlike saving coal. Farmers should have to prove they can be self-sustaining.
Do you not understand that our federal government controls farming?

Farmers often don't even control their own land.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Can some one say
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
Stockpiling food is not feeding me. Paying them not to grow food is not feeding me. I don't eat soybeans nor do I eat much corn. Many/most of these farmers are growing for export and diesel among other things. The food that is grown for actual consumption is probably a third of what we have, even including some of the farmers that grow byproducts for manufacture that we ourselves use.
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If you don't want to eat any more, then yes there are too many farmers. Good luck with that.

At least one thing the government is doing wrong is subsidizing the wrong food types. It shouldn't be cheaper to buy a pack of cookies than it is to buy a good salad.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...to-eat/241782/
It still takes farmer to make the ingredients that goes into those cookies. Wheat and sugar to name just a couple.
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