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Old 08-07-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
You calling something an "assault gun" doesn't make it so any more than calling a short skirt a "rape skirt".
Are you implying that you would consider raping a woman who is wearing a short skirt?

What verb would you use for those 31 people who lost their lives within seconds? I would call it a lethal ASSAULT!

 
Old 08-07-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Are you implying that you would consider raping a woman who is wearing a short skirt?
No, he's implying that you would blame the rape victim's chosen attire rather then the rapist.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wow. MANY TIMES more people are killed by DUIs and distracted drivers (frequently texting) than by shooting deaths. I see no one insisting that vehicles and cell phones be heavily restricted or banned.

The National Safety Council has reported that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year. Nearly 330,000 injuries and fatalities occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving. 1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.

Take a look at the data, broken out by age:
Figure 1: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...riving2015.pdf

Should we ban everyone under age 40 from owning/using cell phones because those in that age group are 68% of those using them while driving resulting in the consequent 1.6 million distracted driving automobile accidents each year?

I'm willing to bet no one would be willing to go along with that, and cell phone ownership/use isn't even a Constitutional Right.
Actually, it is against the law to in any way handle a cell phone while driving in MN.

Hands-free phones for drivers tops Minnesota new laws list
 
Old 08-07-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The Garlic Festival in California was a gun free zone, as was the concert in Las Vegas. Make no mistake, killers are deliberately targeting the unarmed in gun free zones.
Yeah and the Vegas shooting WASNT from the gun free zone. The shooter took out a window and snipered from a hotel room spraying bullets at anyone and everyone. A bit different than Gilroy where the shooter was actually in the gun free zone itself. FYI, Vegas hotels/casinos are still not enforced gun free zones. I went to Excalibur in March, no metal detectors and only security. If you packed a gun in your suitcase, another Vegas shooting could easily happen. A true gun free zone doesn't have this issue of it not being enforced in some way. Maybe Gilroy had these measures (I doubt it), but I can tell you Vegas doesn't in the hotels/casinos. This I can say.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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No, he's implying that you would blame the rape victim's chosen attire rather then the rapist.
Does that mean he is blaming the victims, who were shot to death, instead of the shooter?

BTW, many woman are raped at gun point.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Promote more states to allow legal carry for the law abiding. Encourage the law abiding to get their carry permits and carry a firearm. Get rid of gun free zones like the CA garlic festival and retail stores that ban guns. These shooting are RARE and overall very few people die each year from them. More people die by far from inner city black on black violence, but it seems black lives don't matter after all, because nobody tries to stop that.
The Garlic Festival had lots of armed LE who prevented the shooter from inflicting more damage than he did. Texas has some of the laxest gun laws in America, but it didn't help those Wal-Mart shoppers. Dayton police also managed to contain the shooter before he did more damage. More guns aren't the answer. As we've seen, a shooter can take many lives before a well-trained, armed person can take them down. Lots of good guys with guns in these three tragedies, but all they could do was contain the damage. Not much solace to the families of those who are dead and injured.

Maybe arming everyone is not the best idea.

BTW, I don't live in the US, but consider myself a responsible gun owner.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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Yes, these shooting are rare, and account for a very, very small amount of homicides by people using a gun. Suicides account for the most, by far, followed by inner city Black on Black murder that is often drug, and gang related.

Why doesn't the MEDIA talk about "Gang Violence" anymore? Why was it replaced by "Gun Violence" to describe inner city gang violence? The Media wants the weak minded to blame the tool, not the criminal. Big mistake.



As the thread asks! WHAT are you doing?
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually, it is against the law to in any way handle a cell phone while driving in MN.

Hands-free phones for drivers tops Minnesota new laws list
Does that mean there are no cell phone-related traffic accidents, injuries, or fatalities in MN? Or is it FAR more likely that people simply disregard laws that prevent them from doing what they want to do, anyway?

FYI, that's why despite Chicago having very strict gun control laws, there are dozens of shootings and multiple firearm deaths in Chicago every week.

The 20,000+ gun control/restriction laws are essentially useless as only law-abiding people obey them.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yeah and the Vegas shooting WASNT from the gun free zone. The shooter took out a window and snipered from a hotel room spraying bullets at anyone and everyone.
The concert attendees were defenseless. That's the point, and that's why killers deliberately choose to target them.
 
Old 08-07-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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Does that mean he is blaming the victims, who were shot to death, instead of the shooter?
That means that YOU are blaming an inanimate object instead of the person committing the crime.
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