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Old 08-05-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Dont think background check is a cure-all for the problem, but it is one piece of it.



It's not a cure, but it's something. Like I said before, most people have the same goal, but have polar opposite approaches. However, there are some things where the majority of Americans agree such as universal background checks, which is better than nothing.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:26 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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What is a handgun for other than to kill people? You don't hunt with them.
Some people just need to be killed.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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I think people are starting to catch on, as far as I know, polling for universal background checks is at an all time high. These things take time. People won't be able to ignore them forever. And I expect more to happen since the media is making their manifestos famous.
The House passed the background check law back in Feb. We're in August. MCconnel has sat on the bill with no vote. The weekend massacre got him to commit to a vote on Sunday. That it took another blood bath makes him an accomplice. That he didn't act sooner is political malpractice. He himself is worried about NRA and political implications. Weak spineless Mitch.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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What is a handgun for other than to kill people? You don't hunt with them.
Wrong.........
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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The House passed the background check law back in Feb. We're in August. MCconnel has sat on the bill with no vote. The weekend massacre got him to commit to a vote on Sunday. That it took another blood bath makes him an accomplice. That he didn't act sooner is political malpractice. He himself is worried about NRA and political implications. Weak spineless Mitch.

I had no idea that he is allowing the Senate to vote on the bill. I thought he killed it after the house passed it. Well, that's good, I imagine it will pass because most Americans support it. I don't want to get into blaming him as that just creates a bigger divide and then people will start talking about inner city crimes and those politicians who don't allow the police to do their job have blood on their hands for allowing the gangs to control the inner cities, etc. But I understand your frustration.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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What is a handgun for other than to kill people? You don't hunt with them.
Please don’t generalize or sensationalize, Assault is a behavior, not a device.

Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble.
The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.


The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I believe any law abiding citizen should be allowed to own handguns and use them in self defense at home or out and about with a conceal carry permit. We had our property broken into and the guy had a machete, luckily we had a handgun and didn't have to shoot it because he ran once he saw we had the gun. Who knows what would have happened otherwise.

However, I think we should be able to make common sense changes such as universal background checks, ending private sales without going through a dealer, etc.
You didn't think you had a responsibility to make sure this guy didn't take his machete to threaten others?
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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Dont think background check is a cure-all for the problem, but it is one piece of it.

Given the black market for handguns in urban areas and that nearly all of the mass shooters could legally buy guns, I doubt it would make a lick of difference. (well, maybe 1/1000 of a lick).


Perhaps 50 years after you started UK-style gun restrictions (I wouldn't be surprised if that all started as an upper class effort to disarm Communists in the 1920's) you could veer a culture in some new way. They're probably starting on it at Facebook and Google as we speak.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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You didn't think you had a responsibility to make sure this guy didn't take his machete to threaten others?

I'm not about to shoot someone running away from me. You probably have a 50/50 chance of getting a murder sentence even if the person broke into your home. I also don't think shooting a runner is moral unless that person already hurt or killed someone. It also just isn't worth the legal risk. If he charged at me, if he made a verbal threat etc, then it's a different story.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I'm not about to shoot someone running away from me. You probably have a 50/50 chance of getting a murder sentence even if the person broke into your home. Now if he charged at me that's a different story, but nonetheless it's a scary situation.
Yeah, the law is pretty sick -breaking into another person's house, with a weapon, should really be open season.

Would you have terminated them if the law had been on your side?
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