White People Have No Culture (Mexicans, controversial, death, claims)
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I’d disagree with that slightly, but I’d disagree more deeply that we need to be talking race, when race is supposedly an institution we need to destroy.
Race is only an institution that needs to be destroyed when one is saying something negative about blacks or something positive about whites.
As for whites having no culture, this is essentially true because the narrative pushed by the left, that blacks, through no fault of their own, were subjugated and exploited by unjust, racist whites can't exist in the same place where whites accomplish great things via their own hard work and initiative.
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Originally Posted by craigiri
You are correct - my problem is that I never considered pop culture as "culture" - more a form of shared consumer entertainment.
Classical music was the pop culture of the day it was invented. Same thing with tribal dances, etc. It's all shared entertainment. Sometimes its shared religious rite. But if there's "no white culture" in America, then there's no "black culture" by the same measures.
What, REALLY, is the core of "Black Culture" other than a semblance of some shared experience, pop cultural reference points and a very basic template of how holidays are celebrated (which I would argue are truly not even enough different from the way white people celebrate holidays).
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I mean - I really got into Animal House when it came out but in the annal of history I don't think that will be looked at as "White Culture"....or maybe it will (and is!)......
It's not the individual story that's the culture. It's the moviemaking and storymaking to begin with. A lot of our movies are reflections of uniquely American experiences.
For example, Japanese animation is part of their cultural products and experience. Just because some of it is trash (tentacle porn), doesn't mean the
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In the USA, Car Culture is also white culture...so pervasive that most people just take it for granted.
Car culture isn't "white culture." It is, however, a facet of "American" culture.
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On one hand we can "roll our own" cultures these days...on the other hand, there is not as much guidance to do so.
And I'm just saying that Americans in general definitely have a culture. People from outside of the US can identify it. That a portion of society lives outside the majority doesn't mean "there isn't a cohesive culture."
Very few places on this planet still exist (at least in the modern countries) where the culture is all the same among the inhabitants.
Again, nobody would ever say, "Mexicans have no culture..." We can all recognize that they do. And IN Mexico, Mexicans have 1000 different ways of life across the sprawling country. Mexico is an immigrant nation and a multi-racial nation. The ties that bind the disparate peoples are Mexican culture, despite the differences once you get down on the ground.
Well, let's take India, as a counterpoint to your assertion.
Before the British came, they were self-sufficient in food and had a thriving textiles/loom industry, and was a major exporter of finished goods, In the 18th century, India accounted for 23% of the world's economy.
When the British invaded India and took it over, India's share of world trade dropped from 27% to 2%. The British made India a raw cotton exporter to the home country, and starved out the local weaving industry. By the time the British were kicked out in 1947, India's economy accounted for just 4% of the world's economy.
Also, the British also precided over many famines and resultant deaths in India due to the shift towards cotton and cash crops for export, away from food production.
I'd think the Indians would be pretty well off, even better, if the British didn't colonize India.
This was a great post.
I'll note that what occurred in India was repeated all over the world. IMO it is a false idea and one geared on racial and cultural superiority claims to believe that nothing would be "good" without Europeans. All people around the world had their own markets and were existing just fine before colonialism. To think they would all die out or be extremely behind each other is very strange.
Various cultures/ethnic groups in both Asia and Africa had pretty advanced societies. They also traded amongst vast trade routes so knew of each other and were influenced by each other and so it is silly IMO to think that without the brutalization of colonialism that these parts of the world would not have organically become "great" societies in their own right. Europe itself was heavily influenced by the art and cultures of Asia and Africa.
Even though it is controversial, I personally do believe that conquest and extreme violence is a cultural attribute of those European societies who participated in those pursuits, such as the British, the Spanish, the French, etc. Not all of Europe was "into" conquest and colonialism and the idea that they alone should "own" the world (self centered-ness). That idea IMO is a negative of "Western" culture. And "Western" culture IMO is not based on all Europeans, only certain ones who were always warring and out to find things to claim as their own for their own racist and cultural superiority claiming reasons. I also think that as the world has evolved that many people who descend of these particular areas and live in them now, recognize that these things are not all that positive. Those of you who see them as positive often have some issues related to the guilt about these cultural roots of your ancestors.
Classical music was the pop culture of the day it was invented. Same thing with tribal dances, etc. It's all shared entertainment. Sometimes its shared religious rite. But if there's "no white culture" in America, then there's no "black culture" by the same measures.
What, REALLY, is the core of "Black Culture" other than a semblance of some shared experience, pop cultural reference points and a very basic template of how holidays are celebrated (which I would argue are truly not even enough different from the way white people celebrate holidays).
It's not the individual story that's the culture. It's the moviemaking and storymaking to begin with. A lot of our movies are reflections of uniquely American experiences.
For example, Japanese animation is part of their cultural products and experience. Just because some of it is trash (tentacle porn), doesn't mean the
Car culture isn't "white culture." It is, however, a facet of "American" culture.
And I'm just saying that Americans in general definitely have a culture. People from outside of the US can identify it. That a portion of society lives outside the majority doesn't mean "there isn't a cohesive culture."
Very few places on this planet still exist (at least in the modern countries) where the culture is all the same among the inhabitants.
Again, nobody would ever say, "Mexicans have no culture..." We can all recognize that they do. And IN Mexico, Mexicans have 1000 different ways of life across the sprawling country. Mexico is an immigrant nation and a multi-racial nation. The ties that bind the disparate peoples are Mexican culture, despite the differences once you get down on the ground.
On the black, as a Black American who is pretty versed in black culture and heritage, the defining tenet of black culture is activism. It is the defining characteristic of black culture and is the main thing that the demographic is known the most for - even outside of music/dance. That tenet actually heavily influenced the creation of our music and dance traditions in America. The Charleston dance for instance was created in part to mock white people lol. Negro spirituals, which are the basis of "American" music included many protest songs/phrases and were heavily involved in protests/movements since the 1800s.
I'll repeat those as I have in the thread that there is a such thing as American culture. I also do think that white Americans have a culture related to their ethnic roots, especially those with recent immigrant ancestors in their families. As you noted, American culture is much more heavily recognized outside of America than within. IMO anyone who says that America in general is culture-less is not well traveled.
On the black, as a Black American who is pretty versed in black culture and heritage, the defining tenet of black culture is activism. It is the defining characteristic of black culture and is the main thing that the demographic is known the most for - even outside of music/dance. That tenet actually heavily influenced the creation of our music and dance traditions in America. The Charleston dance for instance was created in part to mock white people lol. Negro spirituals, which are the basis of "American" music included many protest songs/phrases and were heavily involved in protests/movements since the 1800s.
I'll repeat those as I have in the thread that there is a such thing as American culture. I also do think that white Americans have a culture related to their ethnic roots, especially those with recent immigrant ancestors in their families. As you noted, American culture is much more heavily recognized outside of America than within. IMO anyone who says that America in general is culture-less is not well traveled.
I agree that activism has been a big part of the Black American experience. It comes as a response to what Black Americans have gone through. I know about how the spirituals came about. "Go Down Moses" is a major example. And alot of blues songs come from the hard life of sharecropping.
I didn't know that the Charleston was invented as a way to mock white people. Actually, the first time I ever heard about the Charleston dance was when Darius Rucker (who is from Charleston) mentioned it on The History Channel. He had to learn it in gym class.
I'll note that what occurred in India was repeated all over the world. IMO it is a false idea and one geared on racial and cultural superiority claims to believe that nothing would be "good" without Europeans. All people around the world had their own markets and were existing just fine before colonialism. To think they would all die out or be extremely behind each other is very strange.
Various cultures/ethnic groups in both Asia and Africa had pretty advanced societies. They also traded amongst vast trade routes so knew of each other and were influenced by each other and so it is silly IMO to think that without the brutalization of colonialism that these parts of the world would not have organically become "great" societies in their own right. Europe itself was heavily influenced by the art and cultures of Asia and Africa.
Even though it is controversial, I personally do believe that conquest and extreme violence is a cultural attribute of those European societies who participated in those pursuits, such as the British, the Spanish, the French, etc. Not all of Europe was "into" conquest and colonialism and the idea that they alone should "own" the world (self centered-ness). That idea IMO is a negative of "Western" culture. And "Western" culture IMO is not based on all Europeans, only certain ones who were always warring and out to find things to claim as their own for their own racist and cultural superiority claiming reasons. I also think that as the world has evolved that many people who descend of these particular areas and live in them now, recognize that these things are not all that positive. Those of you who see them as positive often have some issues related to the guilt about these cultural roots of your ancestors.
Again, there are good and bad in all cultures.
Thank you very much. It's the old "might makes right" that some (white) folks use to justify or even glorify imperialism.
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