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Old 08-07-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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And the majority are gang shooting.
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Old 08-07-2019, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Panic after a motorcycle backfires in Times Square. Our kids having active shooter drills in kindergarten. This is our new reality. This is how the Republicans want millions and millions of us to live so that a handful of gun nuts can keep assault weapons.
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Old 08-07-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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Panic after a motorcycle backfires in Times Square. Our kids having active shooter drills in kindergarten. This is our new reality. This is how the Republicans want millions and millions of us to live so that a handful of gun nuts can keep assault weapons.

This is capturing the actual issue, although I'd say "right wing nut jobs" not Republicans. How many people drive on roads every day. You put on a seatbelt and there are laws regulating your behavior on the road because driving is a dangerous activity., . You don't cancel all laws because they fail to provide 100% safety.

Every time someone gets in a car, there is a calculated risk.

Every time someone walks into a shopping center, they should NOT have to be calculating their chances of being massacred solely because some wannabe Red Dawn guys fancy themselves "wolverines" against the big bad leftist government.

On the other hand, you can be certain that every time someone leaves the house with an semi auto high capacity rifle and an intention to kill someone, it is highly likely someone will die, and almost as likely multiple people will die. I'd say like 99%.

The counter argument is "the person who wants to get a gun will get a gun" so we shouldn't have tougher restrictions. If you put roadblocks along the way..whatever they may be..they will likely stop some people. If the roadblocks are extensive enough, they will stop a lot of people.

How many people are getting shot with full auto weapons currently. Pretty much zero. Why? Hard to get.

Kinda deflates the argument against restrictions not being effective. Nothing will be 100% effective.
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Old 08-07-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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How many more of these threads are we going to get? Seriously, this must be at least the 20th thread in the last few days to expound the "but black people kill more" diversion.
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Old 08-07-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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Lol @ using a smoking statistic
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Old 08-07-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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59 people in Chicago shot just this past weekend there. Extreme violence in major cities that is not being reported by much media.
They seem not be using very powerful guns in Chicago, because hardly any are dying from them.
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Old 08-07-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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59 people in Chicago shot just this past weekend there. Extreme violence in major cities that is not being reported by much media.
The left-media doesn't care about brown people.
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Old 08-07-2019, 05:20 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Lets put something into perspective for all the gun haters out there.
* July 31, 2019 there has been 248 lives taken from mass shootings
* Roughly 11,000 people are killed by guns each year in the US
* Roughly 1000 people are killed by knives per year in the US
* Roughly 88,000 people are killed by alcohol
* Drunk drivers claims about 11,000 lives each year
* Abortion in the US kills roughly over a "MILLION" lives each year
* Smoking deaths claims 500,000 lives in the US each year

My point is one life is to many but people pick in choose what is bad and politicians express the outrage of guns but allow a million lives to be taken due to abortion, 88,000 lives to be taken due to alcohol, 500.000 lives due to tobacco 1000 lives taken by knives. If you want to ban murders/deaths lets look at everything.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by comparing deaths from violence, including deaths from guns and knives, with these other causes. They're not really good comparisons.

The tragedy and senselessness drunk drivers causing deaths is already widely publicized and has been for years. The MADD movement decades ago got serious legislation in place to stiffen the penalties and the cultural stigma against DUI and even raised the legal age to purchase and possess alcohol 21, making this illegal several years into adulthood.

I don't morally agree with abortions either, if this is the point you're trying to make, especially when women use these as a casual method of birth control, but it kills the unborn children before they're even given a chance to live.

Smoking and alcohol deaths are fully preventable by the person who dies (unless maybe ?? it involves repeated exposure to secondhand smoke), unlike gun and knife deaths in which another person kills someone heinously and suddenly, unless the deceased has taken their own life.

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Old 08-07-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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The left-media doesn't care about brown people.

You do realize most of the people killed in Dayton and El Paso were brown right?
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Old 08-07-2019, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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I don't get why pople keep bringing up Chicago after every mass shooting. Yes, Chicago has a gun violence problem. I don't care how you choose to term it. It's a sickening and disturbing trend hat is happening there. So is the current culture of mass shootings that take placce where folks do not expect violence like a church, movie theater, schools, bars or Walmarts. To me, all these posts prove is that there is a real gun vioence problem in America that is bigger than one race.

It feels like the folks making these posts think they are making a clever and subtle point and do not realize they are actually making another point that is just as valid at the same time
Exactly...strict gun control laws and gun buy back programs like what happened in Australia after Port Arthur mass shooting in 96...would limit both mass shootings and the gang murders in inner city America...as well as suicides...every country who has strict gun control laws in place has far lower murder and suicide deaths than we do.
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