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Old 08-20-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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I just explained it in my prior post. Real Christians obey the laws of the land just for starters and don't think their racial or ethnic group should be above them. Christians put the better good for all above that selfish nonsense.
Not being a Christian myself, I won't pretend to speak for Catholics, for Evangelical Protestants or for any other denomination or sect. However, let us please note, that "the laws of the land" =/= "the better good".
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Old 08-24-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Well the Democrats of today aren't fighting for the American worker whether they be poor and minority workers or not, they are fighting for illegal aliens instead. That to me is being cold blooded against our own people no matter who they are.
Republicans are anti labor since day #1, 150 years long tradition of undermining labor, you love that but you hate anti- labor democrats. What gives?
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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Republicans are anti labor since day #1, 150 years long tradition of undermining labor, you love that but you hate anti- labor democrats. What gives?
In my opinion, it's about kissing up to the big companies. It's an attitude of "we need these jobs, and the company can find someone else to do the job".
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Old 08-24-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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Anyone who doesn't think in 20 years that the 50% white electorate will mostly vote Republican and the 50% non-white electorate will mostly vote Democratic has their head in the sand. There will be outliers in either party who don't fit the race pattern, but most of the votes will come from racial blocs.

For some not insignificant part of either faction, their vote will be determined by race. For most, it will be a factor which is correlated with other factors such as socio-economic status and cultural values.

I actually dread this outcome but don't see a way around it. It's surely an ugly way to debate national politics. For decades, "individual policy preferences vs group identity" was the leaven that kept American politics above banana republic level.

This change will mostly come about from white voters acting as a bloc, whereas in the past they were somewhat evenly divided between the two parties. This shift will be driven by declining white electoral size relative to non-whites, and the policy changes in both parties as a result.

Democrats will eject whites with policy changes, and Republicans will pick them up with policy changes. The latter step is necessary to prevent the voter from not voting at all.

Non-whites have been bloc voting for decades, and whites did not follow suit because they were in a position of strength and could afford the luxury of voting for other reasons. That is already changing however.
There have always been racial voting blocs. What do you think would put an end to that?
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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Anyone who doesn't think in 20 years that the 50% white electorate will mostly vote Republican and the 50% non-white electorate will mostly vote Democratic has their head in the sand. There will be outliers in either party who don't fit the race pattern, but most of the votes will come from racial blocs.

For some not insignificant part of either faction, their vote will be determined by race. For most, it will be a factor which is correlated with other factors such as socio-economic status and cultural values.

I actually dread this outcome but don't see a way around it. It's surely an ugly way to debate national politics. For decades, "individual policy preferences vs group identity" was the leaven that kept American politics above banana republic level.

This change will mostly come about from white voters acting as a bloc, whereas in the past they were somewhat evenly divided between the two parties. This shift will be driven by declining white electoral size relative to non-whites, and the policy changes in both parties as a result.

Democrats will eject whites with policy changes, and Republicans will pick them up with policy changes. The latter step is necessary to prevent the voter from not voting at all.

Non-whites have been bloc voting for decades, and whites did not follow suit because they were in a position of strength and could afford the luxury of voting for other reasons. That is already changing however.

You're wrong.

Whites don't vote in blocs now, and they won't 20 years from now, either.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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This white is a Democrat. I don't think there's a "policy change" Republicans could make to get my vote unless it was a Democratic platform that included health care, education and removing the ridiculous contradictions like opposing welfare but loving farmer handouts, just for a start. I'm not remotely obsessed with immigration the way Republicans are. There's apparently plenty of jobs they could do and farmers begging to hire them so I don't share the anger and resentment Republicans have for them.

I don't consider religion a wild card that grants unlimited immunity. I don't care about gay marriage. I would rather abortion be legal than pay for poverty stricken, often drug addicted mothers to have babies they can't care for. The divide is not racial as much as it is urban vs. rural and the urbans are tired of paying for everything.
This Republican is not white.
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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If Americans losing their once good paying jobs to cheap illegals, them costing us over $100 billion a year, committing felony ID theft, overcrowding our schools, jails, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods and depleting our tax coffers and social and natural resources doesn't anger you then there is something wrong with you. If you have no respect for our immigration laws and why they are in place then there is something wrong with you.

There aren't plentiful jobs out there for illegal aliens only greedy employers that want to increase their profits because these illegals work cheaper. e They aren't needed for farm jobs either as there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign farm workers. All of these greedy employers are passing their enormous social costs onto the taxpayer. The employers and the illegal aliens themselves are equally guilty of breaking the laws and both must be held accountable.
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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If Americans losing their once good paying jobs to cheap illegals, them costing us over $100 billion a year, committing felony ID theft, overcrowding our schools, jails, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods and depleting our tax coffers and social and natural resources doesn't anger you then there is something wrong with you. If you have no respect for our immigration laws and why they are in place then there is something wrong with you.

There aren't plentiful jobs out there for illegal aliens only greedy employers that want to increase their profits because these illegals work cheaper. e They aren't needed for farm jobs either as there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign farm workers. All of these greedy employers are passing their enormous social costs onto the taxpayer. The employers and the illegal aliens themselves are equally guilty of breaking the laws and both must be held accountable.
I can only wish illegals taking over middle level and up management and top brass jobs at a fraction of exorbitant costs. Legal immigrants and students helped to turn research and academia fields into two tiered feudal entity with a twist of sweatshop economics. We need similar Marshal plan for the corporate brass or it will be too late. Bring them in. I do not mind illegals and legals in the corporate offices.
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