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I'll let you cultists in on a secret (since I know you won't listen)... exaggerated climate porn is counter-productive.
It may cause more true believers to glue themselves to sidewalks, but "normal" folks see the crazy and tune you out.
The elite, man made climate change religious zealous are using people's need to feel important against them. Humans don't have that kind of power over the climate, nor the environment compared to nature. The SUN, the Oceans, Volcanoes, Coriolis Effect, and a plethora of other NATURAL factors are influencing climate. However, people don't like to feel helpless, nor irrelevant.
The zealots are using the growing trait of human Narcissism. It's scary.
Has the rubber hit the road? When will it hit the road? What rubber are we talking about?
Yes the rubber has hit the road, it hit many years ago.
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But no scientist agrees with any other scientist. The only thing we have that is close to a consensus is that our emissions are having an effect on the climate.
I can say with 100% certainty that every single climate-model and ever single climate prediction is wrong. But the predictions range from mild to catastrophic. Should we always plan for the worst? At what cost? And who is going to get the money we spend?
There is indeed argument about the details, for instance will the sea rise by 10' or 50' in the next 100 years, but in either case it is catastrophic and in that regard the preponderance of scientists involved in CC research believe we need to act now to avoid a catastrophe.
Just an observation from watching threads like this.
Ever noticed that everyone who denies all the science behind climate change has a tendency to hate anything "liberal".
And this group thinks that there is a world wide scientist conspiracy going on to control the world.
But this same group never considers the huge amount of money the fossil fuel industry would lose if we do something about climate change. And it does not take much looking to trace funding to all sorts of marketing aimed at casting doubt on all the science supporting climate change to the fossil fuel industry.
Ever notice that the marketing funded by the fossil fuel industry targets those folks exploiting their hate of anything liberal. And apparently caring about what will happen with climate change is a liberal thing.
And with all of these climate scientists who are supporting this conspiracy, there is no evil scientist leader. Odd.. And that any government supporting anything to do with climate change will hurt their own economy and create some civil unrest.
And that in the actual world, if you are an engineer or scientist and do deceptive or poor work, you get fired. Simple as that. Poor or deceptive work does not get you more funding. Amazing that anyone has been sold on that idea..
I personally am just amazed at the successful deception that has occurred with conservatives and some of the seriously weak and crazy things they are believing.
I did not give any references.. but as usual, no one else is either.
If we can make this thread into one where if you say something, you have to fact check yourself and post the link, it will be worth continuing on. Other wise, its the same old nutty stuff with the same posters saying the exact thing they said in the last post like this and usually can not be backed up with some sort of reference.
MILIMETERERS? What is that? It takes 95 cubic miles of land based ice to raise the ocean one millimeter...
Oh no, a typo!
Measuring the sea level in MILLIMETERS is TOTAL BULL****!!!! You are an AGW religious zealot, and I don't believe your computer model fantasy fairy tales of doom and gloom if we don't bow to your SCAM!
You people are nothing more than CONTROL FREAKS hell bent forcing the masses to drink your kool aid!
Explain why the average worldwide barometric pressure has not increased accordingly (PV=nRT) and why the oceans have not risen 6ft (volume of liquids increase with temps) due to the presumed temperature "increase" over the last 100 years.
AGW defies the laws of physics, as it is a hoax and the math does not work out.
Only liberals and those who have no inkling of physics cling to this hoax, which is riddled with fraud and inaccuracies to advance a political agenda and sacrifice all rational principles of science.
Similar to what you said last time so copy/paste
"As I pointed out in another thread, if there was actual warming, there would be a corresponding increase in mean barometric pressure- the opposite is true. "
Not a scientist, definitely not a climate scientist. But that's a bad use of Gay-Lussac's law. One of the three main (IMO) gas laws. Gay-Lussac's law says :
the pressure of a given mass of gas varies directly with the absolute temperature of the gas,
Oh no, your correspondent is right !?!? But wait there's more ...
when the volume is kept constant.
Ah.
The volume of the Earth's atmosphere is absolutely not constant. It expands and contracts on daily basis due to the Sun's heating.
Additionally, if there was actually this increase in temp (which there is not), there would be an increase in the volume of the oceans and lakes (which has not occurred). We should have seen a 6ft rise in ocean levels with this supposed increase in temps.
The lakes part is silly, they are normally not deep enough to see a rise due to thermal expansion and their level is typically determined by the landscape. But given that the Earth has warmed by about 1°C, the number for the oceans is about right:
In the recent geological past, changes in land ice and thermal expansion from increased temperatures are the dominant reasons of sea level rise. The last time the Earth was 2 °C (3.6 °F) warmer than pre-industrial temperatures, sea levels were at least 5 metres (16 ft) higher than now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
What our friend forgot is that the oceans have not warmed 1°C over their full depths yet. Even if the warming would stop now, we will see this 6ft sea level rise over the coming millennia. (I guess that was not the message he (likely) wanted to send.)
Up to now we "only" had:
Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm (6.3–8.3 in) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
Just an observation from watching threads like this.
Ever noticed that everyone who denies all the science behind climate change has a tendency to hate anything "liberal".
And this group thinks that there is a world wide scientist conspiracy going on to control the world.
But this same group never considers the huge amount of money the fossil fuel industry would lose if we do something about climate change. And it does not take much looking to trace funding to all sorts of marketing aimed at casting doubt on all the science supporting climate change to the fossil fuel industry.
Ever notice that the marketing funded by the fossil fuel industry targets those folks exploiting their hate of anything liberal. And apparently caring about what will happen with climate change is a liberal thing.
And with all of these climate scientists who are supporting this conspiracy, there is no evil scientist leader. Odd.. And that any government supporting anything to do with climate change will hurt their own economy and create some civil unrest.
And that in the actual world, if you are an engineer or scientist and do deceptive or poor work, you get fired. Simple as that. Poor or deceptive work does not get you more funding. Amazing that anyone has been sold on that idea..
I personally am just amazed at the successful deception that has occurred with conservatives and some of the seriously weak and crazy things they are believing.
I did not give any references.. but as usual, no one else is either.
If we can make this thread into one where if you say something, you have to fact check yourself and post the link, it will be worth continuing on. Other wise, its the same old nutty stuff with the same posters saying the exact thing they said in the last post like this and usually can not be backed up with some sort of reference.
It's always the same cast of the usual suspects slinging the same old dreary lies. When deniers post a link to anything, it's usually ultra conservative craziness from Zero Hedge or InfoWars - respected scientific publications all (sarcasm). Deniers live on their own little version of the flat earth society and there is no way of reaching them.
Certainly not at this speed. That's unprecedented.
It's not unprecedented. ETCW (Early 20th Century Warming), which cannot be attributed to CO2, was as (if not more) pronounced.
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