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Old 08-21-2019, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
The system in place is not private. See; licensure requirements, medicare, medicaid, federal limits on graduate medical education, FDA, certificates of need, et al.,for proof.

Surely we can find an angle that lets us blame capitalism
So you are saying we have a national/socialized healthcare system like Canada and Denmark? When did that happen?


What are those health insurance companies in the US doing other than collecting our money?

 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
There is no private healthcare system in the U.S. or anywhere for that matter.
This.

Just one random example - the certificate of need.

Anyone thinking we have private healthcare in this country could learn about just that one example among the thousands to understand how the government works with the hospital cartel to keep prices jacked up.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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So you are saying we have a national/socialized healthcare system like Canada and Denmark? When did that happen?


What are those health insurance companies in the US doing other than collecting our money?
Im saying we dont have a private system. Do you deny the listed govt controls and interferences exist? If not, then how can you call the health care system private?

The insurance co's arent private either in the sense that they too are heavily regulated by...you guessed it the govt.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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While the rest of the developed world has Universal Healthcare, no two countries have the same approach. Some rely entirely on private insurance. Some rely on public insurance. Most are a mixed bag. All are resulting in huge debts which are not sustainable.

These countries make annual changes and periodically reform their healthcare systems.

75% of US adults are overweight/ obese. Should come as no surprise that US spends more on HC than other countries.

Japan has Universal Healthcare and is probably the system most different from the US. It has long relied on a poly clinic model- MD owned/ operated small bed highly specialized care. No reason for births to occur in full service hospitals, equipped to take care of hundreds of other conditions. No reason for someone recovering from a serious stroke to need to be in a full service hospital.

Japan recognizes the relationship between weight, health and costs. Every adult is required to have their waist measured every year. Those with measures greater than the generous healthy range are required to be counseled. Employers are required to perform the measures of their employees. The greater the percentage of employees with outsized measures, the higher the tax the employer pays to the sickness fund.

Imagine, those with waists beyond the generous healthy range are more challenged to find employment than those in the healthy range. Overweight/ obesity is not a protected class.

Diabetes 2 is a self- induced epidemic in the US. Nearly 1/3 of the adult population has been diagnosed or is Prediabetic. It costs an average of nearly $10,000 / year to treat Diabetes and complications.

There is no reasonable way to make a meaningful dent in the cost of healthcare so long as 75% of us are overweight/ obese and growing. Unless / until the US population takes substantially increased responsibility for their own health, it will not be possible to make a dent in costs.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Anything government run is doomed to failure do to greed. And corruption.
The link was about private insurance, you know what the right keeps insisting is better than Medicare.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Delusional post. Every other major western country has a functioning single payer health system.
But their executives come to America for the best treatment.
I agree that the health care insurance system needs some honest regulating, but the government would ruin it if they owned it.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The link was about private insurance, you know what the right keeps insisting is better than Medicare.
The Right does not insist that.
The Right recognizes that everyone pays into Medicare while only a few benefit. If everyone benefited, Medicare would collapse and the cost would be enormous.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:43 AM
 
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the problem here is the government, as always. they are the ones that encourage fraud and abuse in the system through their regulations and lack of oversight. back when i was a kid growing up in the 60s and 70s, doctors had perhaps two maybe three people in the office to handle all the paperwork necessary to run the office. today however there are more like 8-10 people in the same sized office due to all the necessary government required paperwork that doctors and insurance companies have to fill out.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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So you are saying we have a national/socialized healthcare system like Canada and Denmark? When did that happen?

What are those health insurance companies in the US doing other than collecting our money?
It happened a long time ago, and has been painstakingly detailed by our own Mircea

The only difference between our government having long ago taken over health care and the models you think are the only way to have socialized healthcare is how the money is collected and what the individual observes at various points in time.

In the traditional socialized system like Canada, UK, etc, the money is collected via taxes and all manner of embedded use fees sprinkled throughout the tax code, and the government is the sole monopoly power in play. Thus, the individual is constantly paying for healthcare, just in a more out of sight, out of mind fashion. And at the various points of utilizing the system, the individual receives a service and then doesn't open their wallet, thus creating the illusion that what just happened was free. Obviously, it was anything other than free, but the individual at that point in time feels like it is.

Our system feeds a monopoly power like the EU folks do, but that is marginally divided between federal/state governments, the hospital cartel and the insurance money launderers in the middle. The money comes from insurance premiums, insurance payments and taxes, so again, the individual is constantly paying for healthcare, but in a slightly less out of sight, out of mind fashion. Then, at the various points of utilizing the system, the user receives a service and then has to open their wallet to some degree. This makes the user feel like they are paying for something because at the time of good acquired or service rendered, they give money. In this system, the individual understands the thing that just happened was not free, and they ***** because they believe that other places are free when they really aren't.

In the end, every individual pays for health care in either system. Our system costs more because instead of feeding one monopoly power (government) like the EU nations do, they try to feed an additional one (hospital cartel) and have to pay all manner of skimming/racketeering/broker fees to the insurer middle man to make the money laundering look legit.

Again, just search "Mircea" for user and "hospital" for search word. Find any of his voluminous, detailed, easily verifiable facts about how, when and why our system was nationalized a long time ago, just with faux capitalism wrapping.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Former multi- term Florida Governor Rick Scott was the founder and previous CEO of Columbia- HCA Healthcare Systems which at the time, agreed to fines of $1.7 billion for fraud against Medicare/ Medicaid.

When the investigation became public, Scott resigned and said he was unaware of the issues. He received $5.1 million in severance and a $1 million / yr , five year consulting contract. He was never questioned or indicted.

He recently was elected to the Senate.
Makes ya wanna go out and vote, don't it?
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