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Old 08-21-2019, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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That's where you really lose me completely. A controlled border is everything, anything else is secondary and negotiable.
You could control your own property border.

Kind of hard to do with Trump grabbing your guns every second of the day but just saying.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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The irony, of course, is that with legitimate private property borders and freedom of association you could very well never have to pay for or come across another human being you didn't want to have those dealings with.
Would that were true. All of latin American can march through private property owners property, and the owners run and hide or don't care since the illegals move on to someone else's neighborhood to be a burden and a pain in the butt.
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Old 08-21-2019, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Libs and lefties need not respond, because we all know what your answer will be.

Do you, or do you not, believe that taxation is theft? If not, why?
Litmust is common sense and America first.

Liberals litmust test is hate Americans.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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No. I believe taxation without representation is theft.... we have some of that in the US.
I believe excessive taxation is theft... we have a lot of that in the US
I believe hidden taxation (ie business taxes) is theft... we still have too much of that in the US
I believe taxation to pay for things government should not be doing is theft....we have way too much of that in the US.




MOST taxation is theft...but not all taxation.


I do believe the Laffer Curve is an absolute reality.
What about when Oklahoma City citizens go vote to keep city sales taxes up to pay for new civic projects to make city government bigger? The yes votes win every time. Are yes voters in effect acting as thieves against the no voters?
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Objectivist != libertarian.

Anarchist != libertarian.

Anarchist != objectivist.



As pointed out before, Ayn Rand hated both libertarians and anarchists. She believed anarchists were basically communist-lite.
But when anarchists combine anarchy with knowledge and practice of natural law it all adds up to freedom for everybody. It won't be communist-lite.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I do not. Taxation is done by force.

Taxation is robbery.
So government shouldn't exist? If you want fire and police protection, you call a private company to provide it and pay them? The courthouse and city hall should function as private businesses?
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The irony, of course, is that with legitimate private property borders and freedom of association you could very well never have to pay for or come across another human being you didn't want to have those dealings with.

Plus it's all done non-violently. You know, if human trafficking and kidnapping (the real definitions of "border security") are immoral to you.
Absolutely. Plus self-defense would be virtually unregulated.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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That's where you really lose me completely. A controlled border is everything, anything else is secondary and negotiable.
State borders are collectivist nonsense.

Property rights are absolute.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Would that were true. All of latin American can march through private property owners property, and the owners run and hide or don't care since the illegals move on to someone else's neighborhood to be a burden and a pain in the butt.
It is the responsibility of the property owner to protect his own.

The US isn't a Maoist collective.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Litmust is common sense and America first.

Liberals litmust test is hate Americans.
Does “America First” mean the government has the right to confiscate 40% of your income through various taxes?

MAGAs seem to be pretty liberal when it comes to taxes and private property.
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